Comments on: Orwellian logic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rtiludhiana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-265762 rtiludhiana Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:32:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-265762 <p>The most disquieting aspect of the wide spread corruption in India is the fact that it is not any more confined to politicians or the govt. machinery alone. It is prevalent amongst almost every section of the society at every level. It is the time we the citizens do our bit to uproot corruption from our state. In website www. rtiludhiana.com is our endeavor to create awareness to the public.</p> The most disquieting aspect of the wide spread corruption in India is the fact that it is not any more confined to politicians or the govt. machinery alone. It is prevalent amongst almost every section of the society at every level. It is the time we the citizens do our bit to uproot corruption from our state. In website www. rtiludhiana.com is our endeavor to create awareness to the public.

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By: A More Original Name http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39542 A More Original Name Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:34:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39542 <blockquote>From the picture of Andrew Patel, he looks in his late fourties, so I would be really surprised if he had a Patel step-Dad. Intriguing !!!</blockquote> <p>-shrug- The possibilities are endless. He could have an Indian step-dad or his dad might've been 3/4 Kashmiri, M.Pradeshi or U.Pradeshi or something and 1/4 Patel(I don't know if Patels are very common in Kashmir,UP or MP). This looks like a secret he'll carry with him to his grave, like some sort of Indian superhero and his secret identity.</p> From the picture of Andrew Patel, he looks in his late fourties, so I would be really surprised if he had a Patel step-Dad. Intriguing !!!

-shrug- The possibilities are endless. He could have an Indian step-dad or his dad might’ve been 3/4 Kashmiri, M.Pradeshi or U.Pradeshi or something and 1/4 Patel(I don’t know if Patels are very common in Kashmir,UP or MP). This looks like a secret he’ll carry with him to his grave, like some sort of Indian superhero and his secret identity.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39532 RC Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:54:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39532 <blockquote>Maybe he had an Indian step-dad?</blockquote> <p>From the picture of Andrew Patel, he looks in his late fourties, so I would be really surprised if he had a Patel step-Dad. Intriguing !!!</p> Maybe he had an Indian step-dad?

From the picture of Andrew Patel, he looks in his late fourties, so I would be really surprised if he had a Patel step-Dad. Intriguing !!!

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By: A More Original Name http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39517 A More Original Name Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:00:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39517 <p>Maybe he had an Indian step-dad?</p> Maybe he had an Indian step-dad?

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39511 Manish Vij Fri, 23 Dec 2005 06:33:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39511 <blockquote>I'm not sure but with the name Patel he's got to have some desi in him.</blockquote> <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Hall_Patel">Judge Marilyn Hall Patel</a> married in. Andrew Patel is more puzzling.</p> I’m not sure but with the name Patel he’s got to have some desi in him.

Judge Marilyn Hall Patel married in. Andrew Patel is more puzzling.

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39508 AK Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:47:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39508 <p>DP - OK, so I thought it was obvious that I was joking, but maybe not. For the record, I was more or less kidding when I suggested that Judge Luttig is so bitter (and therefore unprofessional) that he would consciously stick it to the administration because he was passed over for a job, just as he probably wouldn't have become any more of a cheerleader if he had in fact been nominated -- although that said, the possibility that there might be an appearance of that is why <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2124603/">three of the leading legal ethics scholars in the country have suggested</a> that judges should recuse themselves under such circumstances. I was just poking at a delicious irony, but it's actually not a ridiculous thought.</p> <p>Still, there is something noteworthy about Judge Luttig's opinion in this case. His <a href="http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/padilla/padhnft90905opn4th.pdf">opinion</a> on the merits in the Padilla case was rather deferential to the administration, overly so in the eyes of <a href="http://www.isthatlegal.org/archives/2005/09/on_padilla_and.html">some</a> <a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2005/09/further-thoughts-on-preventing-padilla.html">critics</a>. He certainly was more deferential than the <a href="http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov:81/isysnative/RDpcT3BpbnNcT1BOXDAzLTIyMzVfb3BuLnBkZg==/03-2235_opn.pdf">2nd Circuit was</a> in the very same case, before the Supreme Court transferred it. Luttig also wrote a <a href="http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/moussaoui/pdf/71403.pdf">dissenting opinion (pp.20-39 in the PDF)</a> in one of the Moussaoui appeals that was similarly quite deferential to the administration's national security claims.</p> <p>Of all the federal judges in the country who might look upon the administration's claims about national security with some skepticism, one wouldn't have predicted Luttig to be one of them -- he hasn't been the most civil-liberties-protective judge in the handful of cases that have come before him so far....</p> DP – OK, so I thought it was obvious that I was joking, but maybe not. For the record, I was more or less kidding when I suggested that Judge Luttig is so bitter (and therefore unprofessional) that he would consciously stick it to the administration because he was passed over for a job, just as he probably wouldn’t have become any more of a cheerleader if he had in fact been nominated — although that said, the possibility that there might be an appearance of that is why three of the leading legal ethics scholars in the country have suggested that judges should recuse themselves under such circumstances. I was just poking at a delicious irony, but it’s actually not a ridiculous thought.

Still, there is something noteworthy about Judge Luttig’s opinion in this case. His opinion on the merits in the Padilla case was rather deferential to the administration, overly so in the eyes of some critics. He certainly was more deferential than the 2nd Circuit was in the very same case, before the Supreme Court transferred it. Luttig also wrote a dissenting opinion (pp.20-39 in the PDF) in one of the Moussaoui appeals that was similarly quite deferential to the administration’s national security claims.

Of all the federal judges in the country who might look upon the administration’s claims about national security with some skepticism, one wouldn’t have predicted Luttig to be one of them — he hasn’t been the most civil-liberties-protective judge in the handful of cases that have come before him so far….

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By: DP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39501 DP Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:20:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39501 <blockquote>or alternatively, to paraphrase cicatrix, Luttig? bitter? much? never!!!</blockquote> <p>Or perhaps he's interpreting the law as he always has in the past. I disagree with the views judges like Luttig and Alito espouse; but I don't think they are out to erode civil liberties like the Bush administration. Simply they are ultra conservative people as is their right.</p> or alternatively, to paraphrase cicatrix, Luttig? bitter? much? never!!!

Or perhaps he’s interpreting the law as he always has in the past. I disagree with the views judges like Luttig and Alito espouse; but I don’t think they are out to erode civil liberties like the Bush administration. Simply they are ultra conservative people as is their right.

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By: Reincarnation http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39498 Reincarnation Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:36:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39498 <p>This was the right time for the wiretapping scandal to hit Bush. Most Americans are too busy shopping for Christmas and being nasty with each other.</p> This was the right time for the wiretapping scandal to hit Bush. Most Americans are too busy shopping for Christmas and being nasty with each other.

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39497 Abhi Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:29:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39497 <blockquote>Why hasn't Bush been impeached yet?</blockquote> <p>People are starting <a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001736558" target="_blank">to talk</a> at least.</p> <blockquote>Where do you guys find the time to come up with such well-written and well-researched posts everyday?</blockquote> <p>First of all thank you. The answer is that most of us are single and do this to fill the void in our lonely lives. Someday I am sure my efforts on SM will be sabotaged by an amorous young thing. Then I will just post crap :)</p> Why hasn’t Bush been impeached yet?

People are starting to talk at least.

Where do you guys find the time to come up with such well-written and well-researched posts everyday?

First of all thank you. The answer is that most of us are single and do this to fill the void in our lonely lives. Someday I am sure my efforts on SM will be sabotaged by an amorous young thing. Then I will just post crap :)

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By: AK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/22/orwellian_logic/comment-page-1/#comment-39496 AK Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:27:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2776#comment-39496 <blockquote>is Andrew Patel desi?</blockquote> <p>A lawyer I know who has worked with him before says, no, or at least that it's not apparent if so -- she's says she's pretty sure that he's "New York Jewish." Though I'm guessing Abhi is probably right.</p> <p>Did anyone else notice that both <a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&c=Article&cid=1135119019228&call_pageid=968332188492">John Dean</a> -- who knows <a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdean.htm">a thing or two</a> about such matters -- and <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/conservative-scholars-argue-bush%e2%80%99s-wiretapping-is-an-impeachable-offense/">Bruce Fein</a>, who was <i>Reagan's</i> deputy AG, says that Bush has now become the first President to admit to an impeachable offense?</p> is Andrew Patel desi?

A lawyer I know who has worked with him before says, no, or at least that it’s not apparent if so — she’s says she’s pretty sure that he’s “New York Jewish.” Though I’m guessing Abhi is probably right.

Did anyone else notice that both John Dean — who knows a thing or two about such matters — and Bruce Fein, who was Reagan’s deputy AG, says that Bush has now become the first President to admit to an impeachable offense?

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