Comments on: Rage Down Under http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steve http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-154376 Steve Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:00:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-154376 <p>Think it was a GOOD idea getting the Auburn Turks reved Up, i think the mistake was made by the media saying all muslims intead of using the word lebenese, Know that there on there feet again, will affect a lot will be double the strenghth and morale, Turks are born to be soldiers its compulsary. anyways just stombelled across this enjoy; <a href="http://www.auburnboys.cjb.net">The Notorious Auburn Boys oldest Turkish/Lebenese Gang.</a></p> <p>i think the media should fix this, seen as dough they made the mess. thanx steve.</p> Think it was a GOOD idea getting the Auburn Turks reved Up, i think the mistake was made by the media saying all muslims intead of using the word lebenese, Know that there on there feet again, will affect a lot will be double the strenghth and morale, Turks are born to be soldiers its compulsary. anyways just stombelled across this enjoy; The Notorious Auburn Boys oldest Turkish/Lebenese Gang.

i think the media should fix this, seen as dough they made the mess. thanx steve.

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By: somedude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-46517 somedude Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:02:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-46517 <p>"My Japanese ex-girlfriend now lives in Australia. She reports that she can't go out on Pearl Harbor day - December 7, even though, as I recall, Australia was not attacked on that day. "</p> <p>"What's with Australia?"</p> <p>Firstly I have lived in Australia 23 years and never heard of Pearl Harbour Day, though I do know about the event.</p> <p>I do believe there is some racism (if that is the right word) towards Japanese in Australia but this only comes from the older generations. There is a reason for this which comes from how the Australian prisoners of war were treated by the Japanese during WW2. How the Aussie POWs were treated is shocking beyond belief, and almost turned an entire generation against the Japanese. I have lived for many years nextdoor to an Australian WW2 vet who fought against the Japanese. In every way he was a great man but he could never forgive the Japanese for what they did to his mates all those years ago.</p> <p>On the other hand I think the younger generations have no malice towards the Japanese, in fact I think that in general they like the Japanese and are very interested in their culture.</p> “My Japanese ex-girlfriend now lives in Australia. She reports that she can’t go out on Pearl Harbor day – December 7, even though, as I recall, Australia was not attacked on that day. “

“What’s with Australia?”

Firstly I have lived in Australia 23 years and never heard of Pearl Harbour Day, though I do know about the event.

I do believe there is some racism (if that is the right word) towards Japanese in Australia but this only comes from the older generations. There is a reason for this which comes from how the Australian prisoners of war were treated by the Japanese during WW2. How the Aussie POWs were treated is shocking beyond belief, and almost turned an entire generation against the Japanese. I have lived for many years nextdoor to an Australian WW2 vet who fought against the Japanese. In every way he was a great man but he could never forgive the Japanese for what they did to his mates all those years ago.

On the other hand I think the younger generations have no malice towards the Japanese, in fact I think that in general they like the Japanese and are very interested in their culture.

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By: flygirl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38853 flygirl Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:53:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38853 <p>Ennis: interesting point. In any case, the reports here about that particular incident are highly variable. None have suggested so far that it might have been relatively minor. Who expects a Murdoch rag to be thorough? ;-)</p> <p>Major police alerts this weekend, all over Oz but particularly NSW. We're all observing closely. Hope the folks organising the <a href="http://www.fightdemback.org/come-together">Harmony in the Park</a> day in Sydney get a good turnout. Reconciliation marches, four years ago, drew 250,000.</p> <p>I'd also like to shoutout to ANNA: thanks for facilitating this discussion. It's been awesome. Keep challenging, Mutineers.</p> Ennis: interesting point. In any case, the reports here about that particular incident are highly variable. None have suggested so far that it might have been relatively minor. Who expects a Murdoch rag to be thorough? ;-)

Major police alerts this weekend, all over Oz but particularly NSW. We’re all observing closely. Hope the folks organising the Harmony in the Park day in Sydney get a good turnout. Reconciliation marches, four years ago, drew 250,000.

I’d also like to shoutout to ANNA: thanks for facilitating this discussion. It’s been awesome. Keep challenging, Mutineers.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38836 Ennis Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:28:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38836 <p>Flygirl - the NYT quotes a lifeguard on duty, the Australian article you linked to quotes nobody, their account of the lifeguard beatings sounds like second-hand news (although the primary source portions of the article are fascinating).</p> Flygirl – the NYT quotes a lifeguard on duty, the Australian article you linked to quotes nobody, their account of the lifeguard beatings sounds like second-hand news (although the primary source portions of the article are fascinating).

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By: divya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38833 divya Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:03:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38833 <p>Siddhartha:</p> <p>an article similar to what I was talking about earlier with regards to the geography/demographics of Sydney:</p> <p>http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/a-tale-of-two-sydneys-affluent-versus-aspiring/2005/12/16/1134703611525.html</p> Siddhartha:

an article similar to what I was talking about earlier with regards to the geography/demographics of Sydney:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/a-tale-of-two-sydneys-affluent-versus-aspiring/2005/12/16/1134703611525.html

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By: divya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38832 divya Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:46:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38832 <p>On a side note, thanks ANNA for keeping this riveting info session going and the other SM peeps. I've gained a lot from it as I'm sure the other <em>serious posters</em> have too.</p> On a side note, thanks ANNA for keeping this riveting info session going and the other SM peeps. I’ve gained a lot from it as I’m sure the other serious posters have too.

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By: divya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38829 divya Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:06:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38829 <p>Siddhartha: cheers for the vote of confidence, yeah the Fishburne thing was a joke I was referring to from a movie like flygirl pointed out. In Aus, when people say anything with 'the vibe' in it, its just a running joke from that movie, apologies to people who thought I was being offensive and to Mr. Fishburne.</p> <p>Siddhartha, I've actually done some research on the demographics of Sydney and class conflict etc. will be happy to pass it on to you/flygirl when I am able to compile it all in a coherent fashion.</p> <p>Flygirl/Siddhartha:</p> <blockquote> <p>the multiculturalist model is not fully articulated; ...so there's no fresh model out there for people to engage with, either in support or in disagreement</p> </blockquote> <p>What about a Gross National Happiness Indicator?:). Jokes aside, yes, you're both quite right, multicultural seems to be a dirty word here, it seems to carry with it connotations of invasion and job-stealing. There needs to be a greater promotion of the advantages of multiculturalism as a WHOLE instead of a focus on individual cultures as and when the situation calls for it. I have noticed that people here feel disconnected when, in an aim to promote the views of one particular nation/culture/religion, you overlook others. For example, in Sydney, since 9/11, there has been a strong focus on bringing an understanding of Islam to the wider Australian public. As a result, many Islamic youth groups were formed to educate people of the peaceful nature of Islam but failed as they refused to accept the views of non-Muslims(I dont want to discredit these organisations by mentioning their names). On the other hand, at the same time, organisations such as Affinity ( www.affinity.org.au )have emerged and have achieved enormous success in forming a cultural connection with the wider Australian community. Affinity is one of the few examples of such groups that are very much active in the process of forming ties with other religious organisations to promote the similarities between these belief systems. For example, I was invited to attend an Affinity barbeque, being Hindu, they were very kind in cooking a vegetarian meal for me as well as ommitting beef from their meals!</p> <p>Similarly, a bridge of understanding is much needed today between Caucasian Australians and the Middle Eastern youths. Organisations as proactive as Affinity but with a greater cultural focus would do wonders to prevent any future riots and to create the much needed community cohesion that is very much lacking in Australia and other parts of the world today.</p> Siddhartha: cheers for the vote of confidence, yeah the Fishburne thing was a joke I was referring to from a movie like flygirl pointed out. In Aus, when people say anything with ‘the vibe’ in it, its just a running joke from that movie, apologies to people who thought I was being offensive and to Mr. Fishburne.

Siddhartha, I’ve actually done some research on the demographics of Sydney and class conflict etc. will be happy to pass it on to you/flygirl when I am able to compile it all in a coherent fashion.

Flygirl/Siddhartha:

the multiculturalist model is not fully articulated; …so there’s no fresh model out there for people to engage with, either in support or in disagreement

What about a Gross National Happiness Indicator?:). Jokes aside, yes, you’re both quite right, multicultural seems to be a dirty word here, it seems to carry with it connotations of invasion and job-stealing. There needs to be a greater promotion of the advantages of multiculturalism as a WHOLE instead of a focus on individual cultures as and when the situation calls for it. I have noticed that people here feel disconnected when, in an aim to promote the views of one particular nation/culture/religion, you overlook others. For example, in Sydney, since 9/11, there has been a strong focus on bringing an understanding of Islam to the wider Australian public. As a result, many Islamic youth groups were formed to educate people of the peaceful nature of Islam but failed as they refused to accept the views of non-Muslims(I dont want to discredit these organisations by mentioning their names). On the other hand, at the same time, organisations such as Affinity ( http://www.affinity.org.au )have emerged and have achieved enormous success in forming a cultural connection with the wider Australian community. Affinity is one of the few examples of such groups that are very much active in the process of forming ties with other religious organisations to promote the similarities between these belief systems. For example, I was invited to attend an Affinity barbeque, being Hindu, they were very kind in cooking a vegetarian meal for me as well as ommitting beef from their meals!

Similarly, a bridge of understanding is much needed today between Caucasian Australians and the Middle Eastern youths. Organisations as proactive as Affinity but with a greater cultural focus would do wonders to prevent any future riots and to create the much needed community cohesion that is very much lacking in Australia and other parts of the world today.

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By: Sahej http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38783 Sahej Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:11:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38783 <p>but also, the NY Times article you linked Ennis had a comment from the Sudanese/Spanish (I believe) woman who said she did not take Australia as a racist country. so its a mixed bag regarding the ideas put out on SM and the sentiments in the article.</p> <p>on that day i'd probably be nervous of getting beat up, but i don't think i'd worry in aus in general</p> <p>(btw, I've given up the name Raju for anyone who cares. Sahej means something like "calm" in gurumuhki)</p> but also, the NY Times article you linked Ennis had a comment from the Sudanese/Spanish (I believe) woman who said she did not take Australia as a racist country. so its a mixed bag regarding the ideas put out on SM and the sentiments in the article.

on that day i’d probably be nervous of getting beat up, but i don’t think i’d worry in aus in general

(btw, I’ve given up the name Raju for anyone who cares. Sahej means something like “calm” in gurumuhki)

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By: flygirl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38734 flygirl Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:14:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38734 <p>Ennis; <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17591848%255E28737,00.html">one</a> report on the lead up to events. Rather rich feminist sentiments coming from yobbos?...</p> Ennis; one report on the lead up to events. Rather rich feminist sentiments coming from yobbos?…

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By: flygirl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/11/rage_down_under_1/comment-page-5/#comment-38731 flygirl Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:08:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2663#comment-38731 <p>Xplicit,</p> <p>I won't answer that here because it's very OT :-)</p> <p>siddhartha:</p> <blockquote> <p>the multiculturalist model is not fully articulated; ...so there's no fresh model out there for people to engage with, either in support or in disagreement.</p> </blockquote> <p>Absolutely! Exactly what's happening right now. How, how do we buck the trend...</p> Xplicit,

I won’t answer that here because it’s very OT :-)

siddhartha:

the multiculturalist model is not fully articulated; …so there’s no fresh model out there for people to engage with, either in support or in disagreement.

Absolutely! Exactly what’s happening right now. How, how do we buck the trend…

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