Comments on: Speak American in America! (updated) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Huh!? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-263994 Huh!? Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:11:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-263994 <p>Dave @ 98:</p> <p>I don't believe you.</p> <p>Indians are chatty. They like Americans, and even think that knowing an American is a sign of upward mobility. 20 Indians? It is not likely that all of them are from the same part of India, in which case they will often be speaking in English, Hindi and so on. In your presence, they would most likely change to English completely.</p> <p>You may want to study your own face in a mirror. What kind of body language do you have? Are you tense, wound-up all the time? You may be the one who is not open to conversation.</p> Dave @ 98:

I don’t believe you.

Indians are chatty. They like Americans, and even think that knowing an American is a sign of upward mobility. 20 Indians? It is not likely that all of them are from the same part of India, in which case they will often be speaking in English, Hindi and so on. In your presence, they would most likely change to English completely.

You may want to study your own face in a mirror. What kind of body language do you have? Are you tense, wound-up all the time? You may be the one who is not open to conversation.

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By: Dave http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-263982 Dave Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:14:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-263982 <p>For what it's worth, I'm the only U.S. born person on a team of about 20 in suburban Philadelphia, PA. The rest are from India. If someone wants to speak to me, they speak in English. But after nearly a month, I haven't joined a coffee room conversation, or an impromptu hallway meeting because they're not speaking in English. If we're in a conference room waiting for a call to start, the conversation around the table excludes me - not in English. In the current economy, I'm glad to have a job, but I'm resigned to being an outsider here for the duration. I'll probably also start looking in another year, even though the work is interesting, because the work environment is so unpleasant because of the language issue.</p> For what it’s worth, I’m the only U.S. born person on a team of about 20 in suburban Philadelphia, PA. The rest are from India. If someone wants to speak to me, they speak in English. But after nearly a month, I haven’t joined a coffee room conversation, or an impromptu hallway meeting because they’re not speaking in English. If we’re in a conference room waiting for a call to start, the conversation around the table excludes me – not in English. In the current economy, I’m glad to have a job, but I’m resigned to being an outsider here for the duration. I’ll probably also start looking in another year, even though the work is interesting, because the work environment is so unpleasant because of the language issue.

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By: kabes http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-135171 kabes Tue, 08 May 2007 23:16:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-135171 <blockquote>i guess my thought is that i feel that South Asian culture holds educators with a view that they can NEVER be wrong--even when they are.</blockquote> <p>Incorrect. While the culture as a whole does revere teachers for what they give to their students, my parents would have never tolerated any sort of 'special-ed' classes where it wasn't deserved. While they would've first mulled over the possibility that their child did need special-ed classes, they would've raised Cain had I or my brother put in one for no reason whatsoever except that we look "foreign". And it's not just my parents- I know <em>plenty</em> of other 'problem parents' for teachers and educators in the South Asian diaspora.</p> <p>What it comes down to is how comfortable <i>any</i> parents feel with asking questions. Not whether they're South Asian or not.</p> i guess my thought is that i feel that South Asian culture holds educators with a view that they can NEVER be wrong–even when they are.

Incorrect. While the culture as a whole does revere teachers for what they give to their students, my parents would have never tolerated any sort of ‘special-ed’ classes where it wasn’t deserved. While they would’ve first mulled over the possibility that their child did need special-ed classes, they would’ve raised Cain had I or my brother put in one for no reason whatsoever except that we look “foreign”. And it’s not just my parents- I know plenty of other ‘problem parents’ for teachers and educators in the South Asian diaspora.

What it comes down to is how comfortable any parents feel with asking questions. Not whether they’re South Asian or not.

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By: Sahej http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-93946 Sahej Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:52:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-93946 <p>But yet something tells me that hasn't happened in a long time</p> But yet something tells me that hasn’t happened in a long time

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By: DesiDawg http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-93945 DesiDawg Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:50:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-93945 <p>I always want my partner to say sweet nothings when I'm about to explode. Somehow saying it in Hindi makes the whole experience erotic.</p> I always want my partner to say sweet nothings when I’m about to explode. Somehow saying it in Hindi makes the whole experience erotic.

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By: Damon Tarlaei http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-93940 Damon Tarlaei Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:27:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-93940 <p>Before people start criticising others for speaking a different language, they should first learn how to speak their own language as best they can. Being from a family of academics, with a brother who is linguistically focused, a professorial father who has written two academic books and in the region of 50 academic publications and a mother who also, being an academic lecturer, is incredibly competent with linguistic skills and has also got a number of publications, including an academic book published, the emphasis on speaking English (Great Britain based English) correctly and accurately has been an important thing in my upbringing. I also am a Latin and French student and although I only have rudimentary knowledge, I can follow a conversation in French (and a little bit in Italian and Spanish also) as well as contribute some.</p> <p>What irritates me in this discussion is the lack of accuracy and precision within one's own language whilst discussing whether other people can speak their own native tongues in your presence. I for one, would find it difficult to go to another country and speak only the accepted languages of the country. It matters not whether other people feel uncomfortable or not, but it is a matter of practicality, and if one is fluent in a language, there should be no reason why one should be prevented from using that language if one has the opportunity. Fluency can be lost if the language is never practiced.</p> <p>There is one incident I shall name, I was standing waiting for a bus and I saw some people looking a little lost looking at the bus time-table. I went over and asked if I could help them. They spoke no English but were French speakers. I had enough French to be able to find out where they wanted to go and to tell them how to get there. In that situation, people might thing I was telling them where the best place to put a bomb is. What is the moral of the story? Learn other languages, it will allow you to help others and give you more of a chance to understand what people are saying. I have only had tuition in Latin and French, but I can take a piece of basic to moderate Spanish or Italian and translate it into English well enough to understand the general idea, and I would be able to follow the general idea of a conversation in either language (depending on the speed of the conversation)</p> <p>In short, learn your own language before discussing other people's use of their language. Simple things are important; capital letters, noun/verb agreement, etc.</p> Before people start criticising others for speaking a different language, they should first learn how to speak their own language as best they can. Being from a family of academics, with a brother who is linguistically focused, a professorial father who has written two academic books and in the region of 50 academic publications and a mother who also, being an academic lecturer, is incredibly competent with linguistic skills and has also got a number of publications, including an academic book published, the emphasis on speaking English (Great Britain based English) correctly and accurately has been an important thing in my upbringing. I also am a Latin and French student and although I only have rudimentary knowledge, I can follow a conversation in French (and a little bit in Italian and Spanish also) as well as contribute some.

What irritates me in this discussion is the lack of accuracy and precision within one’s own language whilst discussing whether other people can speak their own native tongues in your presence. I for one, would find it difficult to go to another country and speak only the accepted languages of the country. It matters not whether other people feel uncomfortable or not, but it is a matter of practicality, and if one is fluent in a language, there should be no reason why one should be prevented from using that language if one has the opportunity. Fluency can be lost if the language is never practiced.

There is one incident I shall name, I was standing waiting for a bus and I saw some people looking a little lost looking at the bus time-table. I went over and asked if I could help them. They spoke no English but were French speakers. I had enough French to be able to find out where they wanted to go and to tell them how to get there. In that situation, people might thing I was telling them where the best place to put a bomb is. What is the moral of the story? Learn other languages, it will allow you to help others and give you more of a chance to understand what people are saying. I have only had tuition in Latin and French, but I can take a piece of basic to moderate Spanish or Italian and translate it into English well enough to understand the general idea, and I would be able to follow the general idea of a conversation in either language (depending on the speed of the conversation)

In short, learn your own language before discussing other people’s use of their language. Simple things are important; capital letters, noun/verb agreement, etc.

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By: Bokkie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-93933 Bokkie Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:19:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-93933 <p>I am <b>not an American citizen</b> and I could be considered a <b>WASP</b> (<u>although I am Dutch and was raised a catholic...</u> 8-) I work in a multi-cultural (all kinds of <b>europeans</b>, some people from <b>South-America</b> and several <b>Africans</b> too) environment, and I actually <u>joke about people speaking a language I do not understand</u>. In public I <b>don't</b> actually <b>care</b> too much what language people speak, although I must say I don't like it when people speak a language I do not understand when we are part of the same group (socializing).</p> I am not an American citizen and I could be considered a WASP (although I am Dutch and was raised a catholic… 8-) I work in a multi-cultural (all kinds of europeans, some people from South-America and several Africans too) environment, and I actually joke about people speaking a language I do not understand. In public I don’t actually care too much what language people speak, although I must say I don’t like it when people speak a language I do not understand when we are part of the same group (socializing).

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By: Ek Aurat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-38136 Ek Aurat Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:30:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-38136 <p>Here is one mama’s perspective: I speak exclusively to my child in Hindi, which I have really only perfected myself as an adult over the past 5 years. I think my son will pick up the English at daycare and school. When we are out and about I say stuff in Hindi and then again in English. I feel bad because most of our friends are not Hindi speakers, but at the same time I do not want to cave on my Hindi-only lessons for kiddo. This makes playgroups very interesting. Once I explain the goal and purpose of “Hindi only” people get excited and are supportive. Hubby and I decided we wanted kiddo to have Hindi. It is our gift to him to have the option to know something about his Indian culture with the words to express it.</p> Here is one mama’s perspective: I speak exclusively to my child in Hindi, which I have really only perfected myself as an adult over the past 5 years. I think my son will pick up the English at daycare and school. When we are out and about I say stuff in Hindi and then again in English. I feel bad because most of our friends are not Hindi speakers, but at the same time I do not want to cave on my Hindi-only lessons for kiddo. This makes playgroups very interesting. Once I explain the goal and purpose of “Hindi only” people get excited and are supportive. Hubby and I decided we wanted kiddo to have Hindi. It is our gift to him to have the option to know something about his Indian culture with the words to express it.

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By: Camille http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-37912 Camille Sat, 10 Dec 2005 20:17:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-37912 <blockquote>You came to this country for money - You earn this money by working with others who are English speakers. </blockquote> <p>How do you know that all immigrants come to the US for money? While the % of immigrants who are refugees is fairly low, a good number of folks migrate as part of family reunification, and depending on their country of origin, tend to be older and not part of the labor force or working age population.</p> <blockquote>At least with Desis, there is no hostility towards using the English language.</blockquote> <p>You should meet my dadiji! :)</p> You came to this country for money – You earn this money by working with others who are English speakers.

How do you know that all immigrants come to the US for money? While the % of immigrants who are refugees is fairly low, a good number of folks migrate as part of family reunification, and depending on their country of origin, tend to be older and not part of the labor force or working age population.

At least with Desis, there is no hostility towards using the English language.

You should meet my dadiji! :)

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By: Raj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/12/09/speak_engleesh/comment-page-2/#comment-37908 Raj Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:33:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2653#comment-37908 <p>FOBs shouldn't complain that they are asked to speak in English. You came to this country for money - You earn this money by working with others who are English speakers. You can't have your cake and eat it too.</p> <p>At least with Desis, there is no hostility towards using the English language. Some Spanish speakers can spend their whole lives in an all Spanish speaking barrio in Nueva York without having to consider speaking English.</p> <p>When the shoes on the other foot, you would complain as loud as the Americans. LOL. Usually when my brother and I are speaking in Bengali - we are speaking bad about somebody!</p> FOBs shouldn’t complain that they are asked to speak in English. You came to this country for money – You earn this money by working with others who are English speakers. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

At least with Desis, there is no hostility towards using the English language. Some Spanish speakers can spend their whole lives in an all Spanish speaking barrio in Nueva York without having to consider speaking English.

When the shoes on the other foot, you would complain as loud as the Americans. LOL. Usually when my brother and I are speaking in Bengali – we are speaking bad about somebody!

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