Comments on: Piss Krishna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Aswin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-269210 Aswin Thu, 04 Mar 2010 10:10:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-269210 <p>Good idea, make a dildo of ganesha. ummm</p> Good idea, make a dildo of ganesha. ummm

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By: nice http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-139570 nice Sun, 27 May 2007 22:00:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-139570 <p>Nice!:) Fuck all religions!</p> Nice!:) Fuck all religions!

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By: Nice! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-139569 Nice! Sun, 27 May 2007 21:58:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-139569 <p>Nice!:)</p> Nice!:)

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By: eternalknot http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-73671 eternalknot Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:39:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-73671 <p>i dont see anything wrong . maybe someone needed some prayers awnsered to help concieve a child . it is common practice in japan .dont act like a bunch of christian extremists that go nuts over the display of the piss christ( christ on a cross in a jar of urine).</p> i dont see anything wrong . maybe someone needed some prayers awnsered to help concieve a child . it is common practice in japan .dont act like a bunch of christian extremists that go nuts over the display of the piss christ( christ on a cross in a jar of urine).

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By: Mike http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-63386 Mike Sat, 20 May 2006 07:06:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-63386 <p>Many people mention they were "offended" or they found it "offensive." My question is, why do you think people have a right not to be offended? Offense is only in the mind; it is in how someone interprets things. Why should one be responsible to ensure that someone else doesn't choose to interpret their statements or actions negatively?</p> <p>I worry about things that affect me that actually harm me and that I cannot control such as when someone steals from me or when someone causes me or someone else real physical harm. I can't be bothered to worry about people "offending me" because it diverts far too much of my mental energy away from doing positive things and being a positive person.</p> <p>In elementary school most of us learned that if we were offended by something then that something is exactly what the other kids would do. So most kids learn not to be offended. Why are adults so much less intelligent than elementary school children on being "offended?" Sheesh.</p> Many people mention they were “offended” or they found it “offensive.” My question is, why do you think people have a right not to be offended? Offense is only in the mind; it is in how someone interprets things. Why should one be responsible to ensure that someone else doesn’t choose to interpret their statements or actions negatively?

I worry about things that affect me that actually harm me and that I cannot control such as when someone steals from me or when someone causes me or someone else real physical harm. I can’t be bothered to worry about people “offending me” because it diverts far too much of my mental energy away from doing positive things and being a positive person.

In elementary school most of us learned that if we were offended by something then that something is exactly what the other kids would do. So most kids learn not to be offended. Why are adults so much less intelligent than elementary school children on being “offended?” Sheesh.

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-36734 Deepa Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:25:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-36734 <blockquote>And Hindu fundamentalists, just like other fundamentalists do go around threatening, intimidating, and killing people when they feel 'disrespected'. Blasphemy is a Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept, doesn't mean people don't feel there is something analogous to it in Hinduism. It's a very human concept with translations of these feelings of disrespect all over the place. </blockquote> <p>I'd just like to note here (not an attack on you, GujuDude) that both "blasphemy" and "fundamentalism" are Abrahamic concepts, technically (after all, both concepts depend upon the belief in one absolute doctrine) - yet, while people don't stint in extending "fundamentalism" to Hindus, they resist extending "blasphemy" to Hinduism. If one is extensible, I think the other is as well - for the reason that GujuDude states above:</p> <blockquote>It's a very human concept with translations of these feelings of disrespect all over the place.</blockquote> <p>As long as I'm at it, I might as well reiterate that to me the real point of outrage here is <b>not</b>:</p> <p>*Are our religion/beliefs/deities truly affected by frivolous uses?</p> <p>*Does our outrage indicate intolerance/fundamentalism/prudishness?</p> <p>but rather that application of sexual imagery to any concept tends to render that concept a joke, and when members of a majority culture thus debase a popular symbol of a minority culture, that debasement accordingly transfers to that culture and those who are <i>perceived</i> to be of that culture. Then you have to wonder about the motivations of the people who perpetrated the debasement. Whether those motivations consciously exist, the effect is undeniable.</p> <p>Anyone who is <i>perceived</i> to be Hindu, that is, <i>anyone</i> who is brown, is affected by the attitude of disrespect to Hindu culture which is thus perpetuated.</p> <p>It's more a question of power than of religion.</p> And Hindu fundamentalists, just like other fundamentalists do go around threatening, intimidating, and killing people when they feel ‘disrespected’. Blasphemy is a Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept, doesn’t mean people don’t feel there is something analogous to it in Hinduism. It’s a very human concept with translations of these feelings of disrespect all over the place.

I’d just like to note here (not an attack on you, GujuDude) that both “blasphemy” and “fundamentalism” are Abrahamic concepts, technically (after all, both concepts depend upon the belief in one absolute doctrine) – yet, while people don’t stint in extending “fundamentalism” to Hindus, they resist extending “blasphemy” to Hinduism. If one is extensible, I think the other is as well – for the reason that GujuDude states above:

It’s a very human concept with translations of these feelings of disrespect all over the place.

As long as I’m at it, I might as well reiterate that to me the real point of outrage here is not:

*Are our religion/beliefs/deities truly affected by frivolous uses?

*Does our outrage indicate intolerance/fundamentalism/prudishness?

but rather that application of sexual imagery to any concept tends to render that concept a joke, and when members of a majority culture thus debase a popular symbol of a minority culture, that debasement accordingly transfers to that culture and those who are perceived to be of that culture. Then you have to wonder about the motivations of the people who perpetrated the debasement. Whether those motivations consciously exist, the effect is undeniable.

Anyone who is perceived to be Hindu, that is, anyone who is brown, is affected by the attitude of disrespect to Hindu culture which is thus perpetuated.

It’s more a question of power than of religion.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-36671 RC Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:39:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-36671 <p>How is this painting called <a href="http://www.sanatan.org/en/05/Protests/MFHusain/paintings7.php">Naked Sarasvati</a> by <b>M F Hussain</b> and <a href="http://www.sanatan.org/en/05/Protests/MFHusain/paintings6.php"> Naked Laxmi stomping on Ganesh</a> Very artey I guess</p> How is this painting called Naked Sarasvati by M F Hussain and Naked Laxmi stomping on Ganesh Very artey I guess

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-36535 Deepa Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:21:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-36535 <blockquote>Everyone has the right to disrespect, but they must also be willing to face the consequences of said disrespect (loss of face, public humiliation, disrespect in return) and accept responsibilities for their actions/words (regardless of the right/wrong).</blockquote> <p>Thank you, you put it better than I did. I was responding badly to the comment that people have a "right" to disrespect in Hinduism, which seems to imply that it's part of Hindu thought or something, as opposed to other religions where it's not part of the religion. Fact is everyone has a "right" to disrespect any religion, under the conditions you specify above.</p> Everyone has the right to disrespect, but they must also be willing to face the consequences of said disrespect (loss of face, public humiliation, disrespect in return) and accept responsibilities for their actions/words (regardless of the right/wrong).

Thank you, you put it better than I did. I was responding badly to the comment that people have a “right” to disrespect in Hinduism, which seems to imply that it’s part of Hindu thought or something, as opposed to other religions where it’s not part of the religion. Fact is everyone has a “right” to disrespect any religion, under the conditions you specify above.

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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-36522 GujuDude Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:33:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-36522 <blockquote>No, you don't have a right to disrespect, it's just that we don't kill you if you disrespect.</blockquote> <p>Everyone has the right to disrespect, but they must also be willing to face the consequences of said disrespect (loss of face, public humiliation, disrespect in return) and accept responsibilities for their actions/words (regardless of the right/wrong).</p> <p>And Hindu fundamentalists, just like other fundamentalists do go around threatening, intimidating, and killing people when they feel 'disrespected'.</p> <p>Blasphemy is a Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept, doesn't mean people don't feel there is something analogous to it in Hinduism. It's a very human concept with translations of these feelings of disrespect all over the place. All those times I've seen TV versions Ramayan and Mahabharat (I know, not the best sources), there always seems to be one Rushimuni or the other who decrees that they, or the Gods have been insulted, and the standard curse ensues.</p> <p>Feeling insulted, relgiously, has more to do with a group mentality of <i>true believers</i>. It doesn't matter what the scriptures or books say, all that matters is the interpretation of the leader of these true believers for it to become true in that group's mind.</p> <p>"Under the Banner of Heaven" by John Krakauer is a great read, even though it's about Mormon fundamentalism, the ideas of what true believers are willing to do to justify <i>their</i> beliefs via their own interpretations is universal.</p> No, you don’t have a right to disrespect, it’s just that we don’t kill you if you disrespect.

Everyone has the right to disrespect, but they must also be willing to face the consequences of said disrespect (loss of face, public humiliation, disrespect in return) and accept responsibilities for their actions/words (regardless of the right/wrong).

And Hindu fundamentalists, just like other fundamentalists do go around threatening, intimidating, and killing people when they feel ‘disrespected’.

Blasphemy is a Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept, doesn’t mean people don’t feel there is something analogous to it in Hinduism. It’s a very human concept with translations of these feelings of disrespect all over the place. All those times I’ve seen TV versions Ramayan and Mahabharat (I know, not the best sources), there always seems to be one Rushimuni or the other who decrees that they, or the Gods have been insulted, and the standard curse ensues.

Feeling insulted, relgiously, has more to do with a group mentality of true believers. It doesn’t matter what the scriptures or books say, all that matters is the interpretation of the leader of these true believers for it to become true in that group’s mind.

“Under the Banner of Heaven” by John Krakauer is a great read, even though it’s about Mormon fundamentalism, the ideas of what true believers are willing to do to justify their beliefs via their own interpretations is universal.

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/piss_krishna/comment-page-2/#comment-36509 Deepa Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:43:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2587#comment-36509 <blockquote>but there were many forms that were created (and continue to be created) with disrespectful intent. Just see MFHussain's paintings for a recent example.</blockquote> <p>Those paintings are not created as part of the religion.</p> <blockquote>But Hinduism is also the only religion where you have a right to disrespect </blockquote> <p>No, you don't have a right to disrespect, it's just that we don't kill you if you disrespect.</p> but there were many forms that were created (and continue to be created) with disrespectful intent. Just see MFHussain’s paintings for a recent example.

Those paintings are not created as part of the religion.

But Hinduism is also the only religion where you have a right to disrespect

No, you don’t have a right to disrespect, it’s just that we don’t kill you if you disrespect.

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