Comments on: Canadian peace activists abducted http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: dhaavak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-51613 dhaavak Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:27:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-51613 <p>I am deeply sorry at the loss of their colleague but am glad they made it out. <br> On a lighter note... I heard on CBC that Prime Minster Harper called the two canadian activists today to pass on the nation's best wishes. Non-Canadians may not get the humor in this. When the hostages were taken, the liberals were in power. Mr Harper's conservative party, which is not held in esteem by anti-poverty activists in Canada, was the opposition. Imagine their consternation on being told that "Prime Minister Harper is on the line...". "what the... "</p> I am deeply sorry at the loss of their colleague but am glad they made it out.
On a lighter note… I heard on CBC that Prime Minster Harper called the two canadian activists today to pass on the nation’s best wishes. Non-Canadians may not get the humor in this. When the hostages were taken, the liberals were in power. Mr Harper’s conservative party, which is not held in esteem by anti-poverty activists in Canada, was the opposition. Imagine their consternation on being told that “Prime Minister Harper is on the line…”. “what the… “

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By: ksnyder http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-51611 ksnyder Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:03:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-51611 <p>To whocares who asked why they CPT doesn't go to Sudan...There's a couple of reasons and they have nothing to do with "cool".</p> <p>Firstly, CPT never goes in on their own. They always have an invitation from someone on the ground, because otherwise there is very little point being there.</p> <p>Secondly as to why CPT isn't in Tibet or Myanmar...It would be extremely difficult for CPT members to get visas to allow them to go into these countries.</p> <p>Thirdly, once they are invited, CPT goes through a discernment process to see if what that they can do in a given situation, and to see if they have the people necessary to carry out the work.</p> <p>Off the top of my head, I can tell you that CPT has worked in Palestine and Iraq, yes, but also Columbia, Mexico (Chiapas), Haiti, Bosnia and Canada. (In Canada they monitored a standoff between First Nations fishers and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans at Burnt Church NB and patrolled the property of a First Nations Reserve in the Windsor, ON area that was being vandalized by people spray-painting hate slogans.)</p> To whocares who asked why they CPT doesn’t go to Sudan…There’s a couple of reasons and they have nothing to do with “cool”.

Firstly, CPT never goes in on their own. They always have an invitation from someone on the ground, because otherwise there is very little point being there.

Secondly as to why CPT isn’t in Tibet or Myanmar…It would be extremely difficult for CPT members to get visas to allow them to go into these countries.

Thirdly, once they are invited, CPT goes through a discernment process to see if what that they can do in a given situation, and to see if they have the people necessary to carry out the work.

Off the top of my head, I can tell you that CPT has worked in Palestine and Iraq, yes, but also Columbia, Mexico (Chiapas), Haiti, Bosnia and Canada. (In Canada they monitored a standoff between First Nations fishers and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans at Burnt Church NB and patrolled the property of a First Nations Reserve in the Windsor, ON area that was being vandalized by people spray-painting hate slogans.)

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By: ivahhc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-51468 ivahhc Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:34:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-51468 <p>(I just had to update)</p> <p>According to <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3508365a1861,00.html">this</a>He's Christian. According to the wikipedia (as pointed out before), he's Sikh. But from Kashmir. And he has lived in Auckland for 3 years. But was born in Zambia (where his father still lives) and his sister and he lived in Canada for a while. Also, for a second I thought the Eastern Menonites were praying for him (Turns out they were holding a vigil for all the hostages, Tom Fox, who was killed, went to EMU). Glad at least Singh, regardless of his hotch-potch background, is out safe!</p> (I just had to update)

According to thisHe’s Christian. According to the wikipedia (as pointed out before), he’s Sikh. But from Kashmir. And he has lived in Auckland for 3 years. But was born in Zambia (where his father still lives) and his sister and he lived in Canada for a while. Also, for a second I thought the Eastern Menonites were praying for him (Turns out they were holding a vigil for all the hostages, Tom Fox, who was killed, went to EMU). Glad at least Singh, regardless of his hotch-potch background, is out safe!

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By: ivahhc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-51466 ivahhc Thu, 23 Mar 2006 18:26:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-51466 <p>Dunno about Singh's religion, but according a story on Canada.com, he was born in Zambia. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=3f1bdc2c-4ab4-458f-9eb8-29a8905c6f21&k=27212</p> Dunno about Singh’s religion, but according a story on Canada.com, he was born in Zambia. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/world/story.html?id=3f1bdc2c-4ab4-458f-9eb8-29a8905c6f21&k=27212

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By: ksnyder http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-51428 ksnyder Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:09:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-51428 <p>Just a couple of clarifications:</p> <p>1) CPTers are not Missionaries. They are people who feel called by God to "get in the way" when people are being mistreated. Just because someone says "my faith compells me to do this act" does not mean they are actively seeking converts. Do people have to pretend they don't have faith just to work in the world without being accused of trying to convert people? I hope not.</p> <p>2) Not all CPTers are Quakers. As a matter of fact, CPT was founded after the Brethen in Christ (BIC) thelogian, Ron Sider (author of such books as Rich Christians in the Age of Hunger and Completely Prolife) made a speech at the Mennonite World Conference. In his speech Sider said that if the traditional peace churches were serious about being pacifists then they had to be willing to put their lives on the line for peace. He said their peace activities were simply confided to being conscientious objectors then they might as well give it up now. There are Catholics, Mennonites, Quakers, United Church of Canada Members, and a whole lot of other denominations as well.</p> <p>3) Harjas if "A real Singh would have the power to oppress the oppressors to bring true justice." then why aren't you over there oppressing the oppressors? Real easy to critize someone else. Not so easy to act.</p> <p>And for that matter, it's not at all clear that Harmeet Singh has converted to Christianity. (If someone knows for sure, please feel free to correct me.) The Wikipedia reports that he is a Sikh (and it says "Of the Sikh faith" so I don't think the person who wrote it meant that he was culturally a Sikh.) On the other hand, I thought CPT required a statement of faith before one could join. So things are a bit muddy on this point.</p> Just a couple of clarifications:

1) CPTers are not Missionaries. They are people who feel called by God to “get in the way” when people are being mistreated. Just because someone says “my faith compells me to do this act” does not mean they are actively seeking converts. Do people have to pretend they don’t have faith just to work in the world without being accused of trying to convert people? I hope not.

2) Not all CPTers are Quakers. As a matter of fact, CPT was founded after the Brethen in Christ (BIC) thelogian, Ron Sider (author of such books as Rich Christians in the Age of Hunger and Completely Prolife) made a speech at the Mennonite World Conference. In his speech Sider said that if the traditional peace churches were serious about being pacifists then they had to be willing to put their lives on the line for peace. He said their peace activities were simply confided to being conscientious objectors then they might as well give it up now. There are Catholics, Mennonites, Quakers, United Church of Canada Members, and a whole lot of other denominations as well.

3) Harjas if “A real Singh would have the power to oppress the oppressors to bring true justice.” then why aren’t you over there oppressing the oppressors? Real easy to critize someone else. Not so easy to act.

And for that matter, it’s not at all clear that Harmeet Singh has converted to Christianity. (If someone knows for sure, please feel free to correct me.) The Wikipedia reports that he is a Sikh (and it says “Of the Sikh faith” so I don’t think the person who wrote it meant that he was culturally a Sikh.) On the other hand, I thought CPT required a statement of faith before one could join. So things are a bit muddy on this point.

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By: topaz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-51425 topaz Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:31:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-51425 <p>The remaining three hostages have been released.</p> The remaining three hostages have been released.

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By: dhaavak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-50067 dhaavak Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:32:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-50067 <p>hey dingleberry. who the hell cares what you think about your regressive head in the ass personal beliefs when there's people's lives at stake. the kidnappers killed one of the workers in cold blood, a 60+ sweet old man after torturing him... and you piece of shit... you are thumping your chest about shaving. did you follow any of the conversation on this thread? do you read the newspapers? heck did you even graduate from junior high - or did you get your 'education' from some looney tune religious school. wake up. it's the 21st century.</p> hey dingleberry. who the hell cares what you think about your regressive head in the ass personal beliefs when there’s people’s lives at stake. the kidnappers killed one of the workers in cold blood, a 60+ sweet old man after torturing him… and you piece of shit… you are thumping your chest about shaving. did you follow any of the conversation on this thread? do you read the newspapers? heck did you even graduate from junior high – or did you get your ‘education’ from some looney tune religious school. wake up. it’s the 21st century.

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By: Harjas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-50058 Harjas Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:54:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-50058 <p>Christians are only entering Iraq because of the US invasion forces there. Christian groups do NOT belong in an Islamic country, it is the ultimate disrespect of the Islamic religion. It is also the death penalty for any missionary to be in an Islamic country. And whether it is subtle or obvious, the intention of Christian Peacekeeping is about bearing WITNESS to the teachings of the Christian religion. If a Singh disgraced himself by shaving his beard and becoming a pacifist, he deserves what he gets. Pacifism is an idiocy that the Gurus preached against. A real Singh would have the power to oppress the oppressors to bring true justice. A pacifist only succeeds in insulting the Iraqi Muslims and destroying himself. This cause is idiocy. I feel sorry for him, that he followed a fools path. Let this be a lesson to all.</p> Christians are only entering Iraq because of the US invasion forces there. Christian groups do NOT belong in an Islamic country, it is the ultimate disrespect of the Islamic religion. It is also the death penalty for any missionary to be in an Islamic country. And whether it is subtle or obvious, the intention of Christian Peacekeeping is about bearing WITNESS to the teachings of the Christian religion. If a Singh disgraced himself by shaving his beard and becoming a pacifist, he deserves what he gets. Pacifism is an idiocy that the Gurus preached against. A real Singh would have the power to oppress the oppressors to bring true justice. A pacifist only succeeds in insulting the Iraqi Muslims and destroying himself. This cause is idiocy. I feel sorry for him, that he followed a fools path. Let this be a lesson to all.

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By: lino http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-43818 lino Mon, 30 Jan 2006 04:33:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-43818 <p>This situation is a good example why Christians should not lose time sharing Gospel with roaring beasts.</p> This situation is a good example why Christians should not lose time sharing Gospel with roaring beasts.

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By: bharati http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/canadian_peace_1/comment-page-1/#comment-43787 bharati Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:45:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2585#comment-43787 <p>how easy it is to sit cozy and comment on someone like those who have done it.Harmeet is a very good soul and he is not easy to be understood for those who have critisized him as he is on a very different level of evolution of the self.I know he will come back safe and will continue to follow his heart.</p> how easy it is to sit cozy and comment on someone like those who have done it.Harmeet is a very good soul and he is not easy to be understood for those who have critisized him as he is on a very different level of evolution of the self.I know he will come back safe and will continue to follow his heart.

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