Comments on: A meditation on form http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ster http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-139842 ster Wed, 30 May 2007 00:43:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-139842 <p>it says allah in a funny looking way. and the edge between white and red/white and green says Allah ho akbra.. which means god is great.!!! i think they love god a lliiiiitle too much! :9)</p> it says allah in a funny looking way. and the edge between white and red/white and green says Allah ho akbra.. which means god is great.!!! i think they love god a lliiiiitle too much! :9)

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By: jeeet http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-125824 jeeet Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:20:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-125824 <p>not convinced by the star wars or mazda logos, not very similar but the iranian coat of arms shows very much similarity if not identical to that of the sikh khanda.</p> not convinced by the star wars or mazda logos, not very similar but the iranian coat of arms shows very much similarity if not identical to that of the sikh khanda.

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By: Nihang Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-119069 Nihang Singh Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:03:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-119069 <p>What makes this all the more interesting is that the sikh khanda as we see it today is not the original khanda, it is a product of the SGPC (a sikh governing body) which was created during the british raj in the 1920's. The original khanda used by the sikhs, and which is still used today by nihangs (a faction of sikhs which live as the they would have done in the time of Guru gobind singh ji, the creator of the khalsa order) is a khanda without the chakar.. or circle in the middle. This is basically the shape that has existed for thousands of years all over india, in shiva temples, and is called an aad chand (or half moon) which for thousands of years has been the sign of shiva the destroyer (similar to his 3 pronged trident), and so was the symbol used by the warrior classes in india, and also is linked the ancient indian martial art of shastar vidiya, which was inherited by the sikhs. The martial art implements footwork systems, which are named after shiva and his consort chandi, and so is symbol of the use of this art. Drawing on this martial history, the khanda was adopted and slightly changed by the guru, by replacing the cresent, with 2 swords, which represented temporal and spiritual power (miri and piri). This gave the sikhs a connection to ancient warrior orders of the past, and relates to their use of the ancient indian martial art. Even today, nihangs can still be seen using the original add chand sign on their conical turbans (as well as some AKJ memebers who im sure would be horrified if they knew what it stood for! lol sorry.. only sikhs will get that..)</p> <p>So now, we have a symbol, which is like a half moon cresent, with a double edged sword throught it, which is remarkably similar to the star wars sign, and also the iranian flag. What is also interesting, before the muslim conquest, iran was a zoroastrian country, a faith which is closey related to areas of hinduism. Iran is also said to be mentioned in indian scriptures as the place where some of their stories took place. It also interesting that the islamic sign of a half moon crescent, is so similar to an ancient indian symbol of shiva, which has been around for thousands of years, and was most likely present in some middle eastern countries before their islamic conquest.</p> <p>The original nihang order of the sikhs, is also remarkably similar to the way of the jedis, being a sort of neutral religious police force, helping those who are suffering under tyrannical rule, no matter what their faith, living and dying by the sword, and relying on a force (in case the allmight transcendental lord waheguru or god), which in eastern religions is more of a force which is all around us and inside every living being, rather then being a character sitting in heaven as with western semetic faiths. Furthermore, in relation to Jai singhs comment about sikhs not encouraged to feel love, the elite nihang soldiers, were indeed encouraged to not marry and have no loving ties, as their soul purpose was to fight for their faith and die as martyrs. Their only love was to be for god, and they would treat going to battle as a their wedding, as if they were brides going to wed and become one with their groom (waheguru).</p> <p>For more infor pls see www.sarbloh.info, and www.shastarvidiya.org (although i think its under repair at the moment..)</p> What makes this all the more interesting is that the sikh khanda as we see it today is not the original khanda, it is a product of the SGPC (a sikh governing body) which was created during the british raj in the 1920′s. The original khanda used by the sikhs, and which is still used today by nihangs (a faction of sikhs which live as the they would have done in the time of Guru gobind singh ji, the creator of the khalsa order) is a khanda without the chakar.. or circle in the middle. This is basically the shape that has existed for thousands of years all over india, in shiva temples, and is called an aad chand (or half moon) which for thousands of years has been the sign of shiva the destroyer (similar to his 3 pronged trident), and so was the symbol used by the warrior classes in india, and also is linked the ancient indian martial art of shastar vidiya, which was inherited by the sikhs. The martial art implements footwork systems, which are named after shiva and his consort chandi, and so is symbol of the use of this art. Drawing on this martial history, the khanda was adopted and slightly changed by the guru, by replacing the cresent, with 2 swords, which represented temporal and spiritual power (miri and piri). This gave the sikhs a connection to ancient warrior orders of the past, and relates to their use of the ancient indian martial art. Even today, nihangs can still be seen using the original add chand sign on their conical turbans (as well as some AKJ memebers who im sure would be horrified if they knew what it stood for! lol sorry.. only sikhs will get that..)

So now, we have a symbol, which is like a half moon cresent, with a double edged sword throught it, which is remarkably similar to the star wars sign, and also the iranian flag. What is also interesting, before the muslim conquest, iran was a zoroastrian country, a faith which is closey related to areas of hinduism. Iran is also said to be mentioned in indian scriptures as the place where some of their stories took place. It also interesting that the islamic sign of a half moon crescent, is so similar to an ancient indian symbol of shiva, which has been around for thousands of years, and was most likely present in some middle eastern countries before their islamic conquest.

The original nihang order of the sikhs, is also remarkably similar to the way of the jedis, being a sort of neutral religious police force, helping those who are suffering under tyrannical rule, no matter what their faith, living and dying by the sword, and relying on a force (in case the allmight transcendental lord waheguru or god), which in eastern religions is more of a force which is all around us and inside every living being, rather then being a character sitting in heaven as with western semetic faiths. Furthermore, in relation to Jai singhs comment about sikhs not encouraged to feel love, the elite nihang soldiers, were indeed encouraged to not marry and have no loving ties, as their soul purpose was to fight for their faith and die as martyrs. Their only love was to be for god, and they would treat going to battle as a their wedding, as if they were brides going to wed and become one with their groom (waheguru).

For more infor pls see http://www.sarbloh.info, and http://www.shastarvidiya.org (although i think its under repair at the moment..)

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By: Anil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-58895 Anil Mon, 01 May 2006 02:26:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-58895 <p>Okay, major delayed reaction here.... but did we somehow miss <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/themes/onion/assets/logos/index_dingbat.png">The Onion</a>??</p> <p>p.s. -- finally got <a href="http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Tory_Foster">our desi cast member</a> on BSG...</p> Okay, major delayed reaction here…. but did we somehow miss The Onion??

p.s. — finally got our desi cast member on BSG…

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By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-36513 Jai Singh Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:03:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-36513 <p>If I can just post a belated response to the Jedi-Sikh analogy: They're not <i>exactly </i>identical -- Sikhs are not supposed to be ascetic or celibate, and feeling love is not discouraged in Sikhism either (the total opposite, in fact). But the other parallels are accurate.</p> <p><b>Anil</b>,</p> <p>I love the music for Galactica too -- from soothing "rainforest" scores to the Japanese war-drums during some of the battle scenes. The Gayatri Mantra at the beginning is a nice touch too; I don't know if it's supposed to indicate that the Colonials are the ethnic and religious ancestors of Indians too (along with the rest of the inhabitants of the "ancient" world), or whether someone just thought it was a nice tune. Cleverly done, though -- I didn't realise what the song was until I read about it on the 'net; I'd previously thought it was just a Gladiator-theme-type song in some unidentifable ancient or foreign language -- ironically, I wasn't too far off the mark on both counts ;)</p> <p>But yes, there should definitely be more desis on the show.</p> If I can just post a belated response to the Jedi-Sikh analogy: They’re not exactly identical — Sikhs are not supposed to be ascetic or celibate, and feeling love is not discouraged in Sikhism either (the total opposite, in fact). But the other parallels are accurate.

Anil,

I love the music for Galactica too — from soothing “rainforest” scores to the Japanese war-drums during some of the battle scenes. The Gayatri Mantra at the beginning is a nice touch too; I don’t know if it’s supposed to indicate that the Colonials are the ethnic and religious ancestors of Indians too (along with the rest of the inhabitants of the “ancient” world), or whether someone just thought it was a nice tune. Cleverly done, though — I didn’t realise what the song was until I read about it on the ‘net; I’d previously thought it was just a Gladiator-theme-type song in some unidentifable ancient or foreign language — ironically, I wasn’t too far off the mark on both counts ;)

But yes, there should definitely be more desis on the show.

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By: Rishi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-36487 Rishi Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:01:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-36487 <p>Kind of reminds me a bit of the fleur de lis as well...</p> Kind of reminds me a bit of the fleur de lis as well…

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By: Anil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-36408 Anil Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:17:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-36408 <p>Jai -</p> <p>I absolutely love the music. Though rest assured that they couldn't ever be "Americans in space" no matter what the musical score sounds like -- they're <a href="http://www.peterme.com/archives/000593.html">practically all Canadian</a> -- even the John McCain look alike who plays Colonel Tigh. (Ever notice how the skyline of Delphi looks exactly like downtown Vancouver?) Battlestar Canadia indeed.</p> <p>I wonder what the story was with the US version using a different theme song for season one -- was it the Gayatri Mantra itself? concern about protests from angry Hindus? or something else altogether? And then, what it was that caused them to change their mind for season 2? I'll bet there's an interesting story in there somewhere.</p> <p>Still waiting for the first desi cast member -- though at least we do have Grace Park as an Asian American (er, Asian Canadian) lead.</p> <p>A.</p> Jai -

I absolutely love the music. Though rest assured that they couldn’t ever be “Americans in space” no matter what the musical score sounds like — they’re practically all Canadian — even the John McCain look alike who plays Colonel Tigh. (Ever notice how the skyline of Delphi looks exactly like downtown Vancouver?) Battlestar Canadia indeed.

I wonder what the story was with the US version using a different theme song for season one — was it the Gayatri Mantra itself? concern about protests from angry Hindus? or something else altogether? And then, what it was that caused them to change their mind for season 2? I’ll bet there’s an interesting story in there somewhere.

Still waiting for the first desi cast member — though at least we do have Grace Park as an Asian American (er, Asian Canadian) lead.

A.

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By: Bong Breaker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-36364 Bong Breaker Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:42:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-36364 <p>I wrote a massive post one some website once upon a time about Jedis and Hinduism. I've forgotten a great deal of the research that I did but perhaps soon I'll write an updated version on the ol' blog.</p> <p>It concerned stuff like THE FORCE being like OM - we are all part of one force that permeates everything, MAYA, YODA being sakskrit for warrior, EMPIRE being like a sanyasi learning from the wise yogi in the forest (janoi?), AHIMSA, little tikias as sported by PADAWANS, giving up relationships (sp. PADMÉ) and family to pursue spiritual enlightenment (although this is present in many religious traditions), Luke cremating his father aaaaaand so forth.</p> I wrote a massive post one some website once upon a time about Jedis and Hinduism. I’ve forgotten a great deal of the research that I did but perhaps soon I’ll write an updated version on the ol’ blog.

It concerned stuff like THE FORCE being like OM – we are all part of one force that permeates everything, MAYA, YODA being sakskrit for warrior, EMPIRE being like a sanyasi learning from the wise yogi in the forest (janoi?), AHIMSA, little tikias as sported by PADAWANS, giving up relationships (sp. PADMÉ) and family to pursue spiritual enlightenment (although this is present in many religious traditions), Luke cremating his father aaaaaand so forth.

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By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-36355 Jai Singh Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:44:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-36355 <p><b>Anil</b>,</p> <p>Those of us in the UK caught the first season of the "new" Galactica last year before Americans did -- and yes, I thought it was outstanding too. Definitely not suitable for family viewing either ;)</p> <p>The British version had the Gayatri Mantra as the main theme music for the 1st season too. I like their consistent use of what can only be defined as "world music" for the background score in the show as well.....It sort of underlines the "foreign" origins of the Colonials, at least with regards to how they're not supposed to be "Americans in space", despite some of the character's first names and their clothing.</p> <p>Anyway, I'm going off-topic......</p> <p>I read somewhere (probably on Wikepedia) that the name "Jedi" actually has a Buddhist origin, although I can't remember exactly what the word means.</p> Anil,

Those of us in the UK caught the first season of the “new” Galactica last year before Americans did — and yes, I thought it was outstanding too. Definitely not suitable for family viewing either ;)

The British version had the Gayatri Mantra as the main theme music for the 1st season too. I like their consistent use of what can only be defined as “world music” for the background score in the show as well…..It sort of underlines the “foreign” origins of the Colonials, at least with regards to how they’re not supposed to be “Americans in space”, despite some of the character’s first names and their clothing.

Anyway, I’m going off-topic……

I read somewhere (probably on Wikepedia) that the name “Jedi” actually has a Buddhist origin, although I can’t remember exactly what the word means.

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By: Pablo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/29/a_meditation_on/comment-page-1/#comment-36337 Pablo Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:25:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2583#comment-36337 <p>Is there any way someone could ask Geroge Lucas if he was inspired in anyway by Sikhism when writing the Star Wars stories?</p> Is there any way someone could ask Geroge Lucas if he was inspired in anyway by Sikhism when writing the Star Wars stories?

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