Comments on: ‘Syriana’ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sami http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-40560 Sami Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:18:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-40560 <p>Good to see you all reviewing the movie and congratulating it on showing how labour is... but at which point in the movie do they actually refer to it as Dubai? It's Persian Gulf all the way through. Also, the labourers are a simple gentle people... not crazy radicalists that would go blow something up or hurt innicent people. Further, what is with the whole "purity of my soul" speech all about? Also, the "corruption" dialouge was really lame.</p> <p>I was born and raised in Dubai in a family who was reminded every day that if we did not do this or that or if we were to behave like whatever then we would be kicked out of the country etc. We were constantly told how the country was doing us a favor by employing my parents. Money is great, sure, it buys me things I want or need but it shouldn't be used to dictate the social status of a person. My father left Pakistan for Dubai after his first born died due to a lack of appropriate medical facilities. But he didn't go there to brown nose or kiss anyone's behind, and espeically not be spoken down to.</p> <p>Regarding the accent of the kid's father I can understand what you mean. It did seem broken and maybe the choice was made to make him look simple. However he really did not seem old enough to actually be the kids father... or related to him at all for that matter.</p> <p>I'd give this movie a 7/10 only cause the Dubai government did allow them to shoot there and show some form of reality. However script wise it really lacked and the message to be delivered is rather vague.</p> <p>Just another opinion, friends</p> <p>I heard Sheikh Maktoum just passed away, my condolences to the family.</p> Good to see you all reviewing the movie and congratulating it on showing how labour is… but at which point in the movie do they actually refer to it as Dubai? It’s Persian Gulf all the way through. Also, the labourers are a simple gentle people… not crazy radicalists that would go blow something up or hurt innicent people. Further, what is with the whole “purity of my soul” speech all about? Also, the “corruption” dialouge was really lame.

I was born and raised in Dubai in a family who was reminded every day that if we did not do this or that or if we were to behave like whatever then we would be kicked out of the country etc. We were constantly told how the country was doing us a favor by employing my parents. Money is great, sure, it buys me things I want or need but it shouldn’t be used to dictate the social status of a person. My father left Pakistan for Dubai after his first born died due to a lack of appropriate medical facilities. But he didn’t go there to brown nose or kiss anyone’s behind, and espeically not be spoken down to.

Regarding the accent of the kid’s father I can understand what you mean. It did seem broken and maybe the choice was made to make him look simple. However he really did not seem old enough to actually be the kids father… or related to him at all for that matter.

I’d give this movie a 7/10 only cause the Dubai government did allow them to shoot there and show some form of reality. However script wise it really lacked and the message to be delivered is rather vague.

Just another opinion, friends

I heard Sheikh Maktoum just passed away, my condolences to the family.

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By: Guru Gulab Khatri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-40255 Guru Gulab Khatri Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:44:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-40255 <p>I watched syrianna last night and i came back unimpressed. All it showed was hollywood has a lot of money and they can find actors with diverse language background and wait for the star to add weight and get his lines and accent straight. But apart from that there was a lot of nonsense. Terrorists generaly are NOT poor. Pakistanis migrants in gulf may be treated badly but not as bad as indian, nepali, SL, phillipino, and even bangladeshi. When pakistanis engage in terrorist acts its against india and us. Egyptians dont train pakistani migrant workers do become terrorists. training camps are for the most part in pakistan(some were in afghanistan) where other nationalities have been trained. The US has meddleed in middle east politics but as much in recent years. The oil companies are not the only thing keeping them down. The justice system in US is not perfect but i dont buy the depection of that much curroption.</p> I watched syrianna last night and i came back unimpressed. All it showed was hollywood has a lot of money and they can find actors with diverse language background and wait for the star to add weight and get his lines and accent straight. But apart from that there was a lot of nonsense. Terrorists generaly are NOT poor. Pakistanis migrants in gulf may be treated badly but not as bad as indian, nepali, SL, phillipino, and even bangladeshi. When pakistanis engage in terrorist acts its against india and us. Egyptians dont train pakistani migrant workers do become terrorists. training camps are for the most part in pakistan(some were in afghanistan) where other nationalities have been trained. The US has meddleed in middle east politics but as much in recent years. The oil companies are not the only thing keeping them down. The justice system in US is not perfect but i dont buy the depection of that much curroption.

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By: Marcelo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-40251 Marcelo Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:07:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-40251 <p>Wow. I really love the conversation going on here. Thanks for this post. I actually very much enjoyed Syriana, for many reasons, including the way it presents a very nicely packaged story woven from troubling geopolitical realities. But was anyone else as impressed as I was that they actually made a genuine attempt at getting the languages down? Most American movies will show non-Americans speaking to each other in accented and bad English, for example. Here we have people speaking Farsi, French, Urdu, and Arabic. Even George Clooney! Might go over the heads of most American viewers but I sure appreciated it.</p> Wow. I really love the conversation going on here. Thanks for this post. I actually very much enjoyed Syriana, for many reasons, including the way it presents a very nicely packaged story woven from troubling geopolitical realities. But was anyone else as impressed as I was that they actually made a genuine attempt at getting the languages down? Most American movies will show non-Americans speaking to each other in accented and bad English, for example. Here we have people speaking Farsi, French, Urdu, and Arabic. Even George Clooney! Might go over the heads of most American viewers but I sure appreciated it.

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By: Suresh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-39661 Suresh Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:07:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-39661 <p>Hmm, Looks like I've started stirring the pot on this topic. It is albeit easy to say "if you do not like it, go home", which is a phrase you take sanctuary in. It is very comforting to each other (emiratis) when one just shrugs their shoulder and says "well of course if they dont like it, they can go home, they are much better off here",... than they would be in India and Pakistan or back in Iran or the West Bank. I would have a problem, if anyone including Emirati's are treated in this manner here in the US, and yes it happens somewhat to migrant workers from Mexico. You think I like the way Indians treat their black employess in Kenya, South Africa etc ? It is even worse than the Gulf, because this is happening to the blacks in their own country! I guess Idi Amin in Uganda did the right thing. Atleast here in the US, there is a mechanism to fix it, what ever that might be. No matter who you are, even if you are an illeagel immigrant, you have rights, the immigrant's son, if born here, is bonafied American, if born up north, a bonafied Yankee. Heck, I've only been in the US about 9 years and I feel the freedom here. Just by being here you actaully feel you want to be American with all your loyalty to it. The sympathy you have for yourself regarding being singled out for searches at airports etc. I am probably not too many shades of brown from you. I would be getting the same treatment as you would I not ? Being singled-out is not as bad as you think. Atleast here, the americans attempt to treat everyone equally by searching even old, nice irish looking people. They set a rule and apply it to all, once you are in the country. In my opinion guys who look like me (and you) <em>should</em> be singled-out. This will result in more effective use of resources. I have been taught well to take this treatment in Dubai. I really mean that searches should be more targeted and am not just saying it so that I can get my phrase in about Dubai.</p> <p>My experience in Dubai has been that, I get wound up at being treated like vermin (perhaps you guys think we are). Perhaps I would be less wound up if everyone including Europeans/Americans got treated the same way. However, the select maltreatment of people who really have no choice but to be there in Dubai is most disappointing. The air of arrogance will never go. There are a significant few that are very polite, cultured and a great pleasure to deal with. It is at these times I am most conflicted about my opinions. Yes, I suppose I did take your advice long before you gave it, I got up and left. But then, not everybody has that choice.</p> Hmm, Looks like I’ve started stirring the pot on this topic. It is albeit easy to say “if you do not like it, go home”, which is a phrase you take sanctuary in. It is very comforting to each other (emiratis) when one just shrugs their shoulder and says “well of course if they dont like it, they can go home, they are much better off here”,… than they would be in India and Pakistan or back in Iran or the West Bank. I would have a problem, if anyone including Emirati’s are treated in this manner here in the US, and yes it happens somewhat to migrant workers from Mexico. You think I like the way Indians treat their black employess in Kenya, South Africa etc ? It is even worse than the Gulf, because this is happening to the blacks in their own country! I guess Idi Amin in Uganda did the right thing. Atleast here in the US, there is a mechanism to fix it, what ever that might be. No matter who you are, even if you are an illeagel immigrant, you have rights, the immigrant’s son, if born here, is bonafied American, if born up north, a bonafied Yankee. Heck, I’ve only been in the US about 9 years and I feel the freedom here. Just by being here you actaully feel you want to be American with all your loyalty to it. The sympathy you have for yourself regarding being singled out for searches at airports etc. I am probably not too many shades of brown from you. I would be getting the same treatment as you would I not ? Being singled-out is not as bad as you think. Atleast here, the americans attempt to treat everyone equally by searching even old, nice irish looking people. They set a rule and apply it to all, once you are in the country. In my opinion guys who look like me (and you) should be singled-out. This will result in more effective use of resources. I have been taught well to take this treatment in Dubai. I really mean that searches should be more targeted and am not just saying it so that I can get my phrase in about Dubai.

My experience in Dubai has been that, I get wound up at being treated like vermin (perhaps you guys think we are). Perhaps I would be less wound up if everyone including Europeans/Americans got treated the same way. However, the select maltreatment of people who really have no choice but to be there in Dubai is most disappointing. The air of arrogance will never go. There are a significant few that are very polite, cultured and a great pleasure to deal with. It is at these times I am most conflicted about my opinions. Yes, I suppose I did take your advice long before you gave it, I got up and left. But then, not everybody has that choice.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-39557 RC Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:21:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-39557 <blockquote>because money is their God</blockquote> <p>The sick condensation of a zealot and a bigot.</p> because money is their God

The sick condensation of a zealot and a bigot.

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By: Al Mujahid for debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-39555 Al Mujahid for debauchery Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:47:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-39555 <p>I meant like the poor migrants are treated in UAE.</p> I meant like the poor migrants are treated in UAE.

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By: Al Mujahid for debauchery http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-39554 Al Mujahid for debauchery Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:45:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-39554 <p><i>however, as an arab, born and raised in abu dhabi, lived there for 13 years, and often returning for vacations, i have to say one thing: to all the indians, pakistanis, bangladeshi workers, for all the sri lanken, indonesian and filipina maids, for all the cheap labourers, for all the 'working' class of dubai: if you dont like it, <u>leave and go back home</u></i></p> <p>So if all Emirati students in the US are treated just like the poor migrants are treated in the US, would you still have the rather cavalier answer of '<i> <u>if you dont like it, <u>leave and go back home</u> </i></p> <p>I guess the moderators removed my other respone which I thought was more appropriate :(</p> however, as an arab, born and raised in abu dhabi, lived there for 13 years, and often returning for vacations, i have to say one thing: to all the indians, pakistanis, bangladeshi workers, for all the sri lanken, indonesian and filipina maids, for all the cheap labourers, for all the ‘working’ class of dubai: if you dont like it, leave and go back home

So if all Emirati students in the US are treated just like the poor migrants are treated in the US, would you still have the rather cavalier answer of ‘ if you dont like it, leave and go back home

I guess the moderators removed my other respone which I thought was more appropriate :(

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By: David http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-38995 David Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:24:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-38995 <p>Hi All,</p> <p>Well i guess you all hate me, as im one of those evil light skinned arabs that are imorally hurting south asians. Sorry for the nasty culture but it could be worse you could be a black immigrant that gets eternal discrimination. I stumbled on here by accident about syriana thinking theyd cast south asians as arabs again whih annoys me cause when i meet an american they say i dont look like an arab, expecting me to look like a pakistani cabbie, and saying im lying? I pity south asians after 9/11 but dont forget even blacks and italians and some irish were attacked too. people are trying to stereotype our look but were basically eastern mediterranean looking, my mom for example is a blonde. I think clooney's experience in the middle east lets him know what arabs really look like. Not to mention how clooney has morphed into a lebanese looking cleric! LOL!</p> Hi All,

Well i guess you all hate me, as im one of those evil light skinned arabs that are imorally hurting south asians. Sorry for the nasty culture but it could be worse you could be a black immigrant that gets eternal discrimination. I stumbled on here by accident about syriana thinking theyd cast south asians as arabs again whih annoys me cause when i meet an american they say i dont look like an arab, expecting me to look like a pakistani cabbie, and saying im lying? I pity south asians after 9/11 but dont forget even blacks and italians and some irish were attacked too. people are trying to stereotype our look but were basically eastern mediterranean looking, my mom for example is a blonde. I think clooney’s experience in the middle east lets him know what arabs really look like. Not to mention how clooney has morphed into a lebanese looking cleric! LOL!

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By: Sahej http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-38951 Sahej Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:24:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-38951 <p>i liked it quite a bit too. the south asian storyline was very interesting as well</p> i liked it quite a bit too. the south asian storyline was very interesting as well

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/26/syriana/comment-page-1/#comment-38926 Saheli Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:52:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2573#comment-38926 <p>I just want to say that I just came back from Syriana and it was really, really good. The ending was slightly over the top, but other than it was an astonishingly realistic cinematic compression of a slice of Americana few people are acquainted with. Made me want to go read <i>Blowback</i>. . .</p> I just want to say that I just came back from Syriana and it was really, really good. The ending was slightly over the top, but other than it was an astonishingly realistic cinematic compression of a slice of Americana few people are acquainted with. Made me want to go read Blowback. . .

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