Comments on: Update on Tariq Khan of GMU http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: maisnon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35909 maisnon Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:24:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35909 <blockquote>What do they teach over there ? :-)</blockquote> <p>I can only speak to the law school - law & econ, libertarian and conservative schools of thought, with the concomitant <a href="http://www.looksmarthunting.com/p/articles/mi_qa3730/is_200305/ai_n9173851">pro-gun </a> point of view.</p> What do they teach over there ? :-)

I can only speak to the law school – law & econ, libertarian and conservative schools of thought, with the concomitant pro-gun point of view.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35896 Vikram Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:40:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35896 <p>For a small relatively unknown school nationally, GMU seems to have had more than its share of controversial students this year:</p> <p>From the GMU newspaper Broadside:</p> <p><</p> <p>blockquote> Mason Graduate Convicted on Federal Terrorism Charges</p> <p>By Christopher Anzalone Broadside Managing Editor</p> <p>Ali al-Timimi, 41, who recently earned a doctorate in computational biology at George Mason University, was convicted last week on ten federal counts of supporting and encouraging terrorist activities. Specifically, he was convicted of urging his followers to join AfghanistanÂ’s former Taliban regime and Lashkar-e-Taiba, a violent Pakistani radical group known for participating in the decade-long insurgency in Indian-controlled Kashmir and for attacking the Pakistani ShiÂ’ite minority. Although the charges on which al-Timimi was convicted carry a mandatory prison sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole, Federal Judge Leonie Brinkema has not ruled out tossing out some of these charges.</p> <p><a href="http://www.broadsideonline.com/article.php?date=05-02-2005&section=news&article=lead.txt">Mason Graduate Convicted on Federal Terrorism Charges</a></p> <p>What do they teach over there ? :-)</p> For a small relatively unknown school nationally, GMU seems to have had more than its share of controversial students this year:

From the GMU newspaper Broadside:

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blockquote> Mason Graduate Convicted on Federal Terrorism Charges

By Christopher Anzalone Broadside Managing Editor

Ali al-Timimi, 41, who recently earned a doctorate in computational biology at George Mason University, was convicted last week on ten federal counts of supporting and encouraging terrorist activities. Specifically, he was convicted of urging his followers to join AfghanistanÂ’s former Taliban regime and Lashkar-e-Taiba, a violent Pakistani radical group known for participating in the decade-long insurgency in Indian-controlled Kashmir and for attacking the Pakistani ShiÂ’ite minority. Although the charges on which al-Timimi was convicted carry a mandatory prison sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole, Federal Judge Leonie Brinkema has not ruled out tossing out some of these charges.

Mason Graduate Convicted on Federal Terrorism Charges

What do they teach over there ? :-)

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By: maisnon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35829 maisnon Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:07:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35829 <blockquote>For all the cop knows this kid is some stranger from the street who is in one of GMU's buildings without permission</blockquote> <p>Not so fast...GMU is a publicly funded state school and open to the public. I should know - I went there. There are some areas that are secured (like the <a href="http://www.gmu.edu/departments/cbd/">Center for Biodefense</a>), but for the most part - open to the public.</p> For all the cop knows this kid is some stranger from the street who is in one of GMU’s buildings without permission

Not so fast…GMU is a publicly funded state school and open to the public. I should know – I went there. There are some areas that are secured (like the Center for Biodefense), but for the most part – open to the public.

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By: Punjabi JAG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35791 Punjabi JAG Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:29:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35791 <p>As long as the cop had a "reasonable suspicion" something was afoot he had every right to stop the kid and ask for an ID. That isnÂ’t harassment Abhi. ThatÂ’s a cop doing his job. Colleges should be mindful of who is in their buildings at any given time- especially after Columbine, CWRU, 9/11. I can't imagine a larger collection of "soft targets" than a college campus.</p> <p>There are many reasons why charges are dropped and just because they were doesn't necessarily mean they were wrong in leveling them in the first place. I'm not defending any side here, I just don't see the facts in this post to make a conclusion one way or another. If he was arrested for a lack of a permit that seems dubious. If for trespassing then it seems more reasonable.</p> <p>I don't like to see people (Desi or otherwise) get harassed for their beliefs, however illogical, but when you make controversial statements like "This guy next to me is a liar" you should expect to enter into a dialogue with a number of people including angry Marines. In fact compared to the Marines I know this jarheadÂ’s behavior was comparatively civil and witty. I imagine that's what Tariq wanted to do with his protest- promote dialogue. Next time he plans to do so inside school property he should be prepared to supply some indica of ID saying he has a right to be there. Otherwise, don't resist arrest when you are hauled off for trespassing- if that is indeed what he was arrested for.</p> As long as the cop had a “reasonable suspicion” something was afoot he had every right to stop the kid and ask for an ID. That isnÂ’t harassment Abhi. ThatÂ’s a cop doing his job. Colleges should be mindful of who is in their buildings at any given time- especially after Columbine, CWRU, 9/11. I can’t imagine a larger collection of “soft targets” than a college campus.

There are many reasons why charges are dropped and just because they were doesn’t necessarily mean they were wrong in leveling them in the first place. I’m not defending any side here, I just don’t see the facts in this post to make a conclusion one way or another. If he was arrested for a lack of a permit that seems dubious. If for trespassing then it seems more reasonable.

I don’t like to see people (Desi or otherwise) get harassed for their beliefs, however illogical, but when you make controversial statements like “This guy next to me is a liar” you should expect to enter into a dialogue with a number of people including angry Marines. In fact compared to the Marines I know this jarheadÂ’s behavior was comparatively civil and witty. I imagine that’s what Tariq wanted to do with his protest- promote dialogue. Next time he plans to do so inside school property he should be prepared to supply some indica of ID saying he has a right to be there. Otherwise, don’t resist arrest when you are hauled off for trespassing- if that is indeed what he was arrested for.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35771 Saheli Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:43:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35771 <p>Good news, and thanks for taking care of the follow-up, Abhi.</p> Good news, and thanks for taking care of the follow-up, Abhi.

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35764 MoorNam Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:01:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35764 <p>I repeat: Schools/Colleges should make rules more clear,transparent and objective.</p> <p>Maybe, outside every building they could put a notice: "<i>Only persons with valid ID beyond this point. All others will be considered tresspassers and prosecuted</i>." You know, like airports.</p> <p>M. Nam</p> I repeat: Schools/Colleges should make rules more clear,transparent and objective.

Maybe, outside every building they could put a notice: “Only persons with valid ID beyond this point. All others will be considered tresspassers and prosecuted.” You know, like airports.

M. Nam

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35762 Abhi Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:56:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35762 <blockquote>Khan should have responded that he would try and retrieve his ID as he did not have it on his person.</blockquote> <p>Bull. What kind of spineless protestor must you be to go home and get your id to present to a cop?? You have to be kidding me. Asking for ID is a form of intimidation. He was doing nothing wrong, nor was he trespassing. There is a REASON why all charges were dropped. Even attempting to take GMU's or the police's side in this is pretty lame.</p> Khan should have responded that he would try and retrieve his ID as he did not have it on his person.

Bull. What kind of spineless protestor must you be to go home and get your id to present to a cop?? You have to be kidding me. Asking for ID is a form of intimidation. He was doing nothing wrong, nor was he trespassing. There is a REASON why all charges were dropped. Even attempting to take GMU’s or the police’s side in this is pretty lame.

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By: Lionel Baptista http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35761 Lionel Baptista Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:52:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35761 <p>Agree with Punjabi Jag. Unless there is more to this, Khan should have responded that he would try and retrieve his ID as he did not have it on his person. Walking away is simply not an option nor a smart idea when a law enforcement person asks for ID</p> Agree with Punjabi Jag. Unless there is more to this, Khan should have responded that he would try and retrieve his ID as he did not have it on his person. Walking away is simply not an option nor a smart idea when a law enforcement person asks for ID

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By: Punjabi JAG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35756 Punjabi JAG Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:01:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35756 <p>What was the arrest based on?</p> <p>If it was for not having a permit I see the complaint. But if it was for tresspassing and resisting arrest then I don't see the problem with the arrest or the rough treatment.</p> <p>For all the cop knows this kid is some stranger from the street who is in one of GMU's buildings without permission. That is trespassing. He asked the kid for ID. The kid gives a lame excuse for not having it and starts to run/walk away. The cop pursues and arrests the kid. What's wrong with that?</p> <p>Am I missing some facts?</p> What was the arrest based on?

If it was for not having a permit I see the complaint. But if it was for tresspassing and resisting arrest then I don’t see the problem with the arrest or the rough treatment.

For all the cop knows this kid is some stranger from the street who is in one of GMU’s buildings without permission. That is trespassing. He asked the kid for ID. The kid gives a lame excuse for not having it and starts to run/walk away. The cop pursues and arrests the kid. What’s wrong with that?

Am I missing some facts?

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/update_on_tariq/comment-page-1/#comment-35753 MoorNam Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:42:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2563#comment-35753 <p>This is good news.</p> <p>GMU's free-speech policies, protest-policies etc need to be revamped and made more objective. The cops' contention was that he did not have a permit for the protest. Khan's contention was that a permit is required only if one is distributing literature( he was not).</p> <p>I disagree with Khan's opinion and views, but hey, he's an American citizen - free as a bird to say what he wants to say.</p> <p>M. Nam</p> This is good news.

GMU’s free-speech policies, protest-policies etc need to be revamped and made more objective. The cops’ contention was that he did not have a permit for the protest. Khan’s contention was that a permit is required only if one is distributing literature( he was not).

I disagree with Khan’s opinion and views, but hey, he’s an American citizen – free as a bird to say what he wants to say.

M. Nam

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