Comments on: Broken Mirror http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Major Tom http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35807 Major Tom Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:21:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35807 <p>The US government lied about using phosphorus and napalm in Faluja - the Pentagon has now admitted both. I don't see MD rushing to disbelieve everything else that the government says ...</p> The US government lied about using phosphorus and napalm in Faluja – the Pentagon has now admitted both. I don’t see MD rushing to disbelieve everything else that the government says …

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By: Sunny http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35787 Sunny Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:04:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35787 <p>Well I think your president and my prime minister lied or "exaggerated" if you want to use the word, intentionally, to build a case for war. But that is a side issue for now.</p> <p>The Mirror got busted over those pictures admittedly, but its not as simple as that. The govt knew they had the pictures and for two weeks said nothing, until they were published, and then denied all evidence or knowledge. That aside, people believe or don't believe what they want to. So maybe the Mirror has an agenda, but why would the UK govt stop the media from reporting the rest of that memo?</p> <p>I don't doubt for a second Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera. Whether he significantly went down that road is another matter. But I bet more than one person entertained the idea in this administration, given that Al-Jazeera was the only media challenging the western media's coverage of events inside Iraq. The bigger scandal is how the western media went along with the lies, and one they'll be talking about for decades. Until then, I think this makes a good story. And one that has more credence than, say, Fox News or what CNN might come out with IMO.</p> Well I think your president and my prime minister lied or “exaggerated” if you want to use the word, intentionally, to build a case for war. But that is a side issue for now.

The Mirror got busted over those pictures admittedly, but its not as simple as that. The govt knew they had the pictures and for two weeks said nothing, until they were published, and then denied all evidence or knowledge. That aside, people believe or don’t believe what they want to. So maybe the Mirror has an agenda, but why would the UK govt stop the media from reporting the rest of that memo?

I don’t doubt for a second Bush wanted to bomb Al-Jazeera. Whether he significantly went down that road is another matter. But I bet more than one person entertained the idea in this administration, given that Al-Jazeera was the only media challenging the western media’s coverage of events inside Iraq. The bigger scandal is how the western media went along with the lies, and one they’ll be talking about for decades. Until then, I think this makes a good story. And one that has more credence than, say, Fox News or what CNN might come out with IMO.

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By: Nara http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35742 Nara Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:20:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35742 <p>and <b>No</b> the President did not lie intentionally.</p> and No the President did not lie intentionally.

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By: Nara http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35739 Nara Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35739 <blockquote>So, the president lied (I assume that is what you are getting at), and the Mirror has a proven track record of firing someone for a made up story, so, um, what exactly is your point? Assuming there is a point, other than striking a posture</blockquote> <p>MD, I am actually with you on the whole Iraq war. I think the ends justify the means in this case. But, I disagree with your initial argument, that because they fired an editor over a fake story once , nothing in the paper can be believed. The venrable NY times (yes, the one which employed Jayson Blair!) also gets it wrong from time to time.</p> <p>P.S. i think even if the president did say it, he was only joking.</p> So, the president lied (I assume that is what you are getting at), and the Mirror has a proven track record of firing someone for a made up story, so, um, what exactly is your point? Assuming there is a point, other than striking a posture

MD, I am actually with you on the whole Iraq war. I think the ends justify the means in this case. But, I disagree with your initial argument, that because they fired an editor over a fake story once , nothing in the paper can be believed. The venrable NY times (yes, the one which employed Jayson Blair!) also gets it wrong from time to time.

P.S. i think even if the president did say it, he was only joking.

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By: Eddie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35735 Eddie Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:42:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35735 <p>This President is majorly fucked. Just like Clinton was in his second term. Social security reform, tax reform...all gone. 38% approval rating--we are in Carter territory. His legacy is Iraq--and just Iraq. And maybe the budget & trade deficit.</p> <p>And is it any wonder that desis are overwhelmingly democrat? ;-)</p> This President is majorly fucked. Just like Clinton was in his second term. Social security reform, tax reform…all gone. 38% approval rating–we are in Carter territory. His legacy is Iraq–and just Iraq. And maybe the budget & trade deficit.

And is it any wonder that desis are overwhelmingly democrat? ;-)

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35732 MD Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:12:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35732 <p>Ahh, now that is funny Nara. So, the president lied (I assume that is what you are getting at), and the Mirror has a proven track record of firing someone for a made up story, so, um, what exactly is your point? Assuming there is a point, other than striking a posture.</p> <p>Here's a brain teaser: How do we know now that there are no weapons in Iraq? Seems easier to <b>verify</b> with that nasty horror Saddam gone, no?</p> <p>The world is down one nasty dictator! Well, I can't find it in my heart to feel too bad about that, kiddos.</p> Ahh, now that is funny Nara. So, the president lied (I assume that is what you are getting at), and the Mirror has a proven track record of firing someone for a made up story, so, um, what exactly is your point? Assuming there is a point, other than striking a posture.

Here’s a brain teaser: How do we know now that there are no weapons in Iraq? Seems easier to verify with that nasty horror Saddam gone, no?

The world is down one nasty dictator! Well, I can’t find it in my heart to feel too bad about that, kiddos.

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By: Nara http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35730 Nara Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:08:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35730 <blockquote>The same Mirror that had to fire an editor over a faked story</blockquote> <p>Yes. It is the same Mirror talking about the same president who swore up and down that Iraq had WMD</p> The same Mirror that had to fire an editor over a faked story

Yes. It is the same Mirror talking about the same president who swore up and down that Iraq had WMD

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35729 MD Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:06:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35729 <p>Anyone who has read my long time commenting on this forum knows my skepticism of much that is reported in the media is not partisan, and arises from my own personal experiences. Asking for rock-solid proof in such an explosive (sorry) story is a sign of good sense, and <i>you all know it</i>! :)</p> <p>My mother once called me and said, "when were you in New Orleans?" "Never" "But I was googling your name <i>(ed note: she's desi, what did you expect)</i> and found an article quoting you from a meeting in New Orleans." "Uh, a reported interviewed me in Chicago about a poster being presented at a meeting in New Orleans. I didn't go, the resident went and presented it." "Oh," says nosy ma.</p> <p>*PS - I am a nobody and this is the only time I was ever interviewed for a small, very small, medical type journal.</p> Anyone who has read my long time commenting on this forum knows my skepticism of much that is reported in the media is not partisan, and arises from my own personal experiences. Asking for rock-solid proof in such an explosive (sorry) story is a sign of good sense, and you all know it! :)

My mother once called me and said, “when were you in New Orleans?” “Never” “But I was googling your name (ed note: she’s desi, what did you expect) and found an article quoting you from a meeting in New Orleans.” “Uh, a reported interviewed me in Chicago about a poster being presented at a meeting in New Orleans. I didn’t go, the resident went and presented it.” “Oh,” says nosy ma.

*PS – I am a nobody and this is the only time I was ever interviewed for a small, very small, medical type journal.

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By: MoreOriginalNickName http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35728 MoreOriginalNickName Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:57:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35728 <p>here is the cache, you see googles got a google memory</p> <p><a href="http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:0xjXnCzDx8UJ:www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp%3Fsectid%3D14%26articleid%3D112120052328332501121200523286593+&hl=en"> Click Here</a></p> here is the cache, you see googles got a google memory

Click Here

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By: badmash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/23/broken_mirror/comment-page-1/#comment-35727 badmash Wed, 23 Nov 2005 17:56:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2561#comment-35727 <p><b>They are reports and opinion pieces based, on, what exactly? If lots of sources pick up on one item and run with it, that constitutes proof? </b></p> <p>MD, this strategy sounds oddly familiar - where have I seen this before... ;)</p> They are reports and opinion pieces based, on, what exactly? If lots of sources pick up on one item and run with it, that constitutes proof?

MD, this strategy sounds oddly familiar – where have I seen this before… ;)

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