your dreaming Asians will never be even slightly represented in the nhl their athletic ability is the lowest of all races while you might be the best in mathematics and sciences your genetic make up makes your statement impossible, but blacks on the other hand is a different story they have the most athletic ability of the races

RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective 2nd Special Abridged Edition Professor J. Philippe Rushton University of Western Ontario London, Ontario, Canada N6A 5C2

“Race differences show up early in life. Black babies are born a week earlier than White babies, yet they are more mature as measured by bone development. By age five or six, Black children excel in the dash, the long jump, and the high jump, all of which require a short burst of power. By the teenage years, Blacks have faster reflexes, as in the famous knee-jerk response.

East Asians run even less well than Whites. The same narrow hips, longer legs, more muscle, and more testosterone that give Blacks an advantage over Whites, give Whites an advantage over East Asians. But admitting these genetic race differences in sports leads to the greater taboo area — race differences in brain size and crime. That is why it is taboo to even say that Blacks are better at many sports. The reason why Whites and East Asians have wider hips than Blacks, and so make poorer runners is because they give birth to larger brained babies.

White is a skin color and not a culture..so, no they dont have the same right as any other culture based on skin color. White culture is a figment of American imagination as is the so-called “Asian American” culture based on skin color…but Indian is a culture…by the white definition we should lump all browns into one and call them Browns..ie., markedly different cultures such as those from Latin America and India would assimilate into each other and become Brown. Then of course, I have seen Indian women whiter than some tanned American women..Preity Zinta is one such person…does she become white? Based on the American classification she has a shot. Then we have a really dark skinned south Indian woman in my family…does she become black? Many African Americans think so…not based on culture but based on color. American obsession is with skin color not white culture. The sooner we stop legiitimizing this myth of a white culture, or a black ghetto “culture” of underachievement, the sooner we would alleviate the problem of racism in this country.

“cratching out an existence is phase one, maniacal studying is phase two, sports is phase three. Watch out for Asian-American hockey players in about 20 years.”

I don’t think this is totally correct. As a Dominican-American (have you heard of them? Apparently, there are plenty of people who don’t think we exist), a lot of our culture is ingrained in baseball and family. If anyone that is reading this watches baseball, it is uncommon to see the best players being of Dominican descent. However, if this comment were universally correct, that means we should have been on the top of our academic game years ago. I don’t think this has ever happened to us. I am still struggling to find even a handful of Dominicans in engineering or ‘elite’ schools, let alone the general Latino race. I am also struggling to find evidence that Latinos were ever truly academically competitive in the United States. What I do find is a lot of information suggesting that our race has consistently scored the lowest SAT average and has a poor head count of students attending four-year universities.

In context of the entire article, however, it does make me slightly disappointed that white flight is generally caused by an influx of our kind or similar (African-Americans, Caribbean, etc.) However, when it is an Asian influx, on the context of education white flight occurs because of a fear of a challenge. When it is of the former, white flight occurs because of a fear of degradation. To be honest, I really can’t blame them: most of the ‘ghettos’ of urban cities are proliferated with African-Americans and Latinos; do you see a lot of Asian communities like these?

Of course!

or is it racist when whites move into their own ‘ghettos’

No more than any other groups doing the same.

Let me try to phrase my argument in a slightly different manner. One has to move beyond the ‘blame game’ to achieve any progress.

Most of these arguments are loaded with emotion, hurt feelings, and conclusions (right or wrong). Responsibility of inclusion or cohesiveness falls on ALL people who consider themselves to be part of the community. Not the minority or majority.

I have no argument that children of Asian immigrants have potential of being ‘well rounded’. The bay area attracted immigrants of a certain background (tech), therefore it’s logical to assume that success acheived by parents in those fields will be emphasized on their kids. I also don’t see a problem in people of a similar background/culture clustering together for support. As time passes, things change, so will career choices and ideas.

One of the TV news magazine programs had an episode about a south Chicago suburb (Olymia Fields, Matteson, IL?) and how white flight from these middle and upper middle class neighborhoods was affecting race relations. The demographics in these communities had shifted to predominantly well off African American families.

Many African Americans felt hurt, why were the whites moving? The information was interesting: Some moved on ignorance, others along cultural lines, and a hand few seemed a bit racist (Can whites have a different unique culture and a desire to live among shared values too, just like immigrant minorities? or is it racist when whites move into their own ‘ghettos’) I am not making any conclusions here, I simply don’t know enough. In that program, a white family was featured that had lived alongside a black family for many years (from the time when demographic makeup was more balanced), grown close, very friendly, were just like family.

When the white family decided to move, the black neighbor felt very sad and hurt. Was the White family racist in their move? The time spent with their African American friends would say otherwise, then why move? I can’t conclude anything, I’m far too under informed for that.

From such a vantage point, the only logical course of action I can come up with is the community needs to develop platforms/venues to make sure everyone gets heard, and encourge folks who may be apathetic/initmidated/misunderstood… to voice their opinions. At least make a two way street (community powers that be), whoever decides to walk down it will do so at their own benefit. If you build it, they will come, atleast I hope so (Wishful thinking?)

If you try to quantify which community has to work harder in order to ‘balance’ things out, neither community will move forward.

irvine/university high is notoriously competitive.. i had friends out in oc who used to do homework until 2am…huh?!?! made fun of me and my ‘dumb’ school that i went to… wahtever… what the hell is that about? yeah, the competitiveness brewed in these schools is frightening…

thank god i’m out and about… whew….

and manish: yeah, the tree is a retarded mascot.. sorry… but a trojan trumps a tree any day ..smelling those roses…