Comments on: Why You Think the Net Was Born http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35573 PG Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:04:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35573 <p><i>How does the average person reconcile his/her flushing the toilet or generating two bags of garbage every week with his/her desire not to have his/her child to become a sewage worker or garbage collector?</i></p> <p>On the contrary, I think most people would find it entirely acceptable for a child who may lack the talent or intelligence for other professions to become a sewage worker or garbage collector, but not a sex worker. We see sex work as different for multiple reasons: concerns about health and safety; fear of social condemnation and psychological harm; job insecurity (unlike the unionized jobs of garbage and sewer worker, where an employee is guaranteed to be paid more as he gets older and to get a pension when he retires).</p> <p>As for the gender discriminatory terminology, the majority of live-action pornography is marketed toward and consumed by men. The amount of "lesbian" porn that's meant to appeal to actual lesbians is laughably small compared the amount that's oriented toward men. Yes, it's making a generalization about the nature of the porn industry that misses the minority of women who are part of the demand, but so do discussions of sexual assault that assume men to be the predators and women the victims, or of domestic violence that does the same.</p> <p>If women are paid more, it's probably partly because the industry actually requires higher standards of appearance for women, whereas ugly men are welcome as long as they're well endowed (Ron Jeremy).</p> <p>The books by prostitutes mostly seem to be by the high-end hookers, like <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0753819236/halfthesinsof-21/203-0010072-1720768?%5Fencoding=UTF8&camp=1634&link%5Fcode=xm2">Belle de Jour</a> or <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609810103/halfthesinsof-20/104-9473512-9647925?%5Fencoding=UTF8&camp=1789&link%5Fcode=xm2">Tracy</a> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400053544/halfthesinsof-20/104-9473512-9647925?%5Fencoding=UTF8&camp=1789&link%5Fcode=xm2">Quan</a>, rather than by street workers. Women who command hundreds of dollars per hour probably have a different perspective on the business than women who work for $20 a job.</p> How does the average person reconcile his/her flushing the toilet or generating two bags of garbage every week with his/her desire not to have his/her child to become a sewage worker or garbage collector?

On the contrary, I think most people would find it entirely acceptable for a child who may lack the talent or intelligence for other professions to become a sewage worker or garbage collector, but not a sex worker. We see sex work as different for multiple reasons: concerns about health and safety; fear of social condemnation and psychological harm; job insecurity (unlike the unionized jobs of garbage and sewer worker, where an employee is guaranteed to be paid more as he gets older and to get a pension when he retires).

As for the gender discriminatory terminology, the majority of live-action pornography is marketed toward and consumed by men. The amount of “lesbian” porn that’s meant to appeal to actual lesbians is laughably small compared the amount that’s oriented toward men. Yes, it’s making a generalization about the nature of the porn industry that misses the minority of women who are part of the demand, but so do discussions of sexual assault that assume men to be the predators and women the victims, or of domestic violence that does the same.

If women are paid more, it’s probably partly because the industry actually requires higher standards of appearance for women, whereas ugly men are welcome as long as they’re well endowed (Ron Jeremy).

The books by prostitutes mostly seem to be by the high-end hookers, like Belle de Jour or Tracy Quan, rather than by street workers. Women who command hundreds of dollars per hour probably have a different perspective on the business than women who work for $20 a job.

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By: Porn Aficionado :) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35404 Porn Aficionado :) Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:21:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35404 <blockquote> Pornography is generally tacky and occasionally genuinely abusive of the people who take part in it, especially of women</blockquote> <p>I saw this documentary on HBO about the porn industry and it said:</p> <p>1) Porn industry is controlled and managed to a large extent by women.</p> <p>2) Women earn many times more than men for a role.</p> <p>Does the porn industry discriminate against men or are women compensated more because their roles are inherently more degrading or is there a smaller supply of female porn actors than male porno star wannabes or is it because porn customers are mostly men?</p> <p>Does this qualify as gender based discrimination?</p> Pornography is generally tacky and occasionally genuinely abusive of the people who take part in it, especially of women

I saw this documentary on HBO about the porn industry and it said:

1) Porn industry is controlled and managed to a large extent by women.

2) Women earn many times more than men for a role.

Does the porn industry discriminate against men or are women compensated more because their roles are inherently more degrading or is there a smaller supply of female porn actors than male porno star wannabes or is it because porn customers are mostly men?

Does this qualify as gender based discrimination?

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By: ised http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35385 ised Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:28:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35385 <p>Or</p> <p>we could have a movie on pornography that doesn't have anything to do with real life. :)</p> <p>Commenting on Mahesh Bhatt's rants or anyone in the Hindi movie industry is a waste of time. This is one of the better articles I've read on this blog (I liked your style, didn't dig the content though). Nice to have you @ SM.</p> Or

we could have a movie on pornography that doesn’t have anything to do with real life. :)

Commenting on Mahesh Bhatt’s rants or anyone in the Hindi movie industry is a waste of time. This is one of the better articles I’ve read on this blog (I liked your style, didn’t dig the content though). Nice to have you @ SM.

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By: sphere http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35375 sphere Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:47:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35375 <p>when it comes to porn, it might be that the most potent moral voices in this immoral world might come from those who've actually done it. Kind of like good old-fashioned sex in that way. Moral ambiguity may be a safe-haven from the peddlers of middle-class guilt, and admittedly, it is hard to distinguish, in that lurid light off the monitors, between who's the improvident grandaddy and who's the dirty old man. But still we need a palpable counterpoint. Like let's all admit Madonna is a whore (her latest song still bangs though)</p> when it comes to porn, it might be that the most potent moral voices in this immoral world might come from those who’ve actually done it. Kind of like good old-fashioned sex in that way. Moral ambiguity may be a safe-haven from the peddlers of middle-class guilt, and admittedly, it is hard to distinguish, in that lurid light off the monitors, between who’s the improvident grandaddy and who’s the dirty old man. But still we need a palpable counterpoint. Like let’s all admit Madonna is a whore (her latest song still bangs though)

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By: Desi Train http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35371 Desi Train Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:28:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35371 <blockquote>Kalyug exposes porn trade</blockquote> <p>nah!!! The tagline should be - "Kalyug has another excuse to show porn trade"</p> <p>Oh please call it Malyug, Chalyug but not Shyam Benegal-Shashi Kapoor's original "Kalyug"...sigh.</p> Kalyug exposes porn trade

nah!!! The tagline should be – “Kalyug has another excuse to show porn trade”

Oh please call it Malyug, Chalyug but not Shyam Benegal-Shashi Kapoor’s original “Kalyug”…sigh.

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By: Rupa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35369 Rupa Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:07:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35369 <p>But some things just aren't gender neutral. The madonna-whore complex only applies to women. We got the short end of the stick on that double standard.</p> But some things just aren’t gender neutral. The madonna-whore complex only applies to women. We got the short end of the stick on that double standard.

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35363 MoorNam Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:06:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35363 <p>Here are links to a book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805077456/103-7276590-0624669?v=glance&n=283155">Pornified </a>and its <a href="http://www.townhall.com/opinion/books_entertainment/reviews/PamelaPaul/176193.html">review </a>dealing with this subject in detail.</p> <p>IMO, India has this business of secret cameras in hotel rooms etc precisely because porn is illegal.</p> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p><i>How does the average man reconcile his enjoyment of porn with his desire not to have his daughter ever go into it?</i></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>The same way an average woman reconciles her enjoyment of porn with her desire not to have her son ever go into it!</p> <p>If you have to ask rhetorical questions, please make them gender neutral.</p> <p>How does the average person reconcile his/her flushing the toilet or generating two bags of garbage every week with his/her desire not to have his/her child to become a sewage worker or garbage collector?</p> <p>M. Nam</p> Here are links to a book, Pornified and its review dealing with this subject in detail.

IMO, India has this business of secret cameras in hotel rooms etc precisely because porn is illegal.

How does the average man reconcile his enjoyment of porn with his desire not to have his daughter ever go into it?

The same way an average woman reconciles her enjoyment of porn with her desire not to have her son ever go into it!

If you have to ask rhetorical questions, please make them gender neutral.

How does the average person reconcile his/her flushing the toilet or generating two bags of garbage every week with his/her desire not to have his/her child to become a sewage worker or garbage collector?

M. Nam

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By: darkside http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35321 darkside Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:59:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35321 <p>the net was born so we call all be aware of awesome bands, like SWAMI (www.swamimusic.com)</p> the net was born so we call all be aware of awesome bands, like SWAMI (www.swamimusic.com)

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By: Daksha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35320 Daksha Mon, 21 Nov 2005 03:43:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35320 <p>There are apparently quite a few good blogs supposedly written by women in the flesh trade from what I have heard. Some even landed book deals and the like. They definitely give the idea they were in it out of choice. I thought it was interesting to note how they balanced certain 'appointments' and then headed straight for their boyfriends. Very matter of fact about the whole situation.</p> There are apparently quite a few good blogs supposedly written by women in the flesh trade from what I have heard. Some even landed book deals and the like. They definitely give the idea they were in it out of choice. I thought it was interesting to note how they balanced certain ‘appointments’ and then headed straight for their boyfriends. Very matter of fact about the whole situation.

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/19/why_you_think_t_1/comment-page-1/#comment-35310 Ang Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:10:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2549#comment-35310 <blockquote>And then, the next day I had a meeting with my advisor for career planning, and all I could think about when I was in his office, was whether or not he'd seen that movie (I was told it was popular), and how did it affect the way he looked at young females, if it affected it at all? What about that guy? Had he seen it? Was he thinking about it right now?</blockquote> <p>I've wondered that, too. I worry about how it affects both men and women. Because it does.</p> <p>I also wonder about the people who go into the business, whether they supposedly choose to or not.</p> And then, the next day I had a meeting with my advisor for career planning, and all I could think about when I was in his office, was whether or not he’d seen that movie (I was told it was popular), and how did it affect the way he looked at young females, if it affected it at all? What about that guy? Had he seen it? Was he thinking about it right now?

I’ve wondered that, too. I worry about how it affects both men and women. Because it does.

I also wonder about the people who go into the business, whether they supposedly choose to or not.

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