Comments on: Abraham vs. Sherrill to the Supreme Court??? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34247 Manish Vij Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:56:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34247 <p>Send your own email!</p> <p>--</p> <p>To: Charlene Hager-Van Dyke, <a href="mailto:chagervandyke@orlandosentinel.com">chagervandyke@orlandosentinel.com</a></p> <p>I enjoyed your article about the results of the Don Sherrill - Tom Abraham election. However, I am dismayed by your inappropriate use of the phrase "off-color":</p> <blockquote>"... a two-term council member who recently made off-color statements about his Indian-born opponent's ethnicity was returned to serve on the City Council on Tuesday."</blockquote> <p>Statements calling an Indian-American an embed and a 9/11 terrorist: "off-color"</p> <p>Same statements about blacks or Hispanics: "racist, bigoted"</p> <p>Let's call a spade a spade here.</p> <p>Best regards, Manish Vij</p> Send your own email!

To: Charlene Hager-Van Dyke, chagervandyke@orlandosentinel.com

I enjoyed your article about the results of the Don Sherrill – Tom Abraham election. However, I am dismayed by your inappropriate use of the phrase “off-color”:

“… a two-term council member who recently made off-color statements about his Indian-born opponent’s ethnicity was returned to serve on the City Council on Tuesday.”

Statements calling an Indian-American an embed and a 9/11 terrorist: “off-color”

Same statements about blacks or Hispanics: “racist, bigoted”

Let’s call a spade a spade here.

Best regards, Manish Vij

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34245 Manish Vij Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:46:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34245 <p>I promise not to read too much into your words then ;)</p> I promise not to read too much into your words then ;)

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By: Take it easy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34212 Take it easy Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:32:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34212 <blockquote>Statements calling an Indian-American an embed and a 9/11 terrorist: "off-color" Same statements about blacks or hispanics: "racist"</blockquote> <p>Reading too much into an imbecile's words: priceless</p> Statements calling an Indian-American an embed and a 9/11 terrorist: “off-color” Same statements about blacks or hispanics: “racist”

Reading too much into an imbecile’s words: priceless

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34209 Abhi Thu, 10 Nov 2005 18:24:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34209 <p>Not only that but look at the choice of words the reporter used to describe why some residents supported Sherrill on election day:</p> <blockquote>including neighbors from his Country Village retirement community who voted against him and others who credited him for <b>speaking out.</b></blockquote> <p>Since when is a racist attack deemed "speaking out?" It implies that someone had to stand up and speak out against the possibility that Arbraham was an embed.</p> Not only that but look at the choice of words the reporter used to describe why some residents supported Sherrill on election day:

including neighbors from his Country Village retirement community who voted against him and others who credited him for speaking out.

Since when is a racist attack deemed “speaking out?” It implies that someone had to stand up and speak out against the possibility that Arbraham was an embed.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34158 Manish Vij Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:35:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34158 <blockquote>... a two-term council member who recently made off-color statements about his Indian-born opponentÂ’s ethnicity...</blockquote> <p>Statements calling an Indian-American an embed and a 9/11 terrorist: "off-color"</p> <p>Same statements about blacks or Hispanics: "racist"</p> … a two-term council member who recently made off-color statements about his Indian-born opponentÂ’s ethnicity…

Statements calling an Indian-American an embed and a 9/11 terrorist: “off-color”

Same statements about blacks or Hispanics: “racist”

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By: cicatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34151 cicatrix Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:52:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34151 <blockquote>Alito did not answer the question, instead leaving the students to debate it</blockquote> <p>in..ter..est..ing.... so the course was a series of seminars, structured around <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koan">Koans</a>?</p> <p>pretty far out for an Italian-American catholic... I just might have to rethink my stance on this guy... maybe he'll pull a Souter after all and show up in saffron robes to court!</p> Alito did not answer the question, instead leaving the students to debate it

in..ter..est..ing…. so the course was a series of seminars, structured around Koans?

pretty far out for an Italian-American catholic… I just might have to rethink my stance on this guy… maybe he’ll pull a Souter after all and show up in saffron robes to court!

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By: cicatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34149 cicatrix Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:39:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34149 <p>colin powell? Someone call <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002257.html#comment26775">Ennis</a>!</p> colin powell? Someone call Ennis!

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By: Anil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34147 Anil Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:35:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34147 <p>Interesting. Somehow I don't think that's where the Divine Ms. M's torpedoes would be aimed. And so far Alito seems pretty airtight when it comes to juicy information, though I guess there are still his hundreds of judicial opinions to go through. Even his students <a href="http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/08/AR2005110801487.html">had difficulty figuring out</a> what his positions were on issues they discussed in his "Terrorism and Civil Liberties" course at Seton Hall:</p> <blockquote>"One of the great things about the class was if you went in knowing his conservative reputation, you came out questioning that reputation," said Robert G. Marasco, who took the class in 2003 and is now an associate at Gibbons, Del Deo in Newark. "I had no idea where he stood afterwards or if he has even reached a conclusion of his own."</blockquote> <p>But Cicatrix, if you're looking to set up Ms. Runamok to go entangle with a good source, there does seem to be at least one prospect who is, if nothing else, Mutiny-worthy.</p> <blockquote>One day in February 2004, Alito created a hypothetical scenario for his students: The government had captured a foreign terrorist believed to be en route to an attack that would kill thousands of Americans. Was it constitutional for U.S. interrogators to use torture if by doing so they could thwart the attack and save American lives? Should there be a "<b>ticking time bomb</b>" exception to protect citizens against terrorism? <b>Alito did not answer the question</b>, instead leaving the students to debate it, according to an account at the time in the Bergen Record. "If we do the things that we criticize other nations for doing, it makes us no better than those nations," <b>student Naazneen Khan was quoted as saying</b>.</blockquote> <p>("Ticking time bomb"? "Alito did not answer"?? I don't know about you, but to me it sure seems like "<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17347-2004Apr16.html">slam dunk</a>" evidence that Alito's packing WMD heat. Quick -- call Colin Powell and get him back to the UN!)</p> Interesting. Somehow I don’t think that’s where the Divine Ms. M’s torpedoes would be aimed. And so far Alito seems pretty airtight when it comes to juicy information, though I guess there are still his hundreds of judicial opinions to go through. Even his students had difficulty figuring out what his positions were on issues they discussed in his “Terrorism and Civil Liberties” course at Seton Hall:

“One of the great things about the class was if you went in knowing his conservative reputation, you came out questioning that reputation,” said Robert G. Marasco, who took the class in 2003 and is now an associate at Gibbons, Del Deo in Newark. “I had no idea where he stood afterwards or if he has even reached a conclusion of his own.”

But Cicatrix, if you’re looking to set up Ms. Runamok to go entangle with a good source, there does seem to be at least one prospect who is, if nothing else, Mutiny-worthy.

One day in February 2004, Alito created a hypothetical scenario for his students: The government had captured a foreign terrorist believed to be en route to an attack that would kill thousands of Americans. Was it constitutional for U.S. interrogators to use torture if by doing so they could thwart the attack and save American lives? Should there be a “ticking time bomb” exception to protect citizens against terrorism? Alito did not answer the question, instead leaving the students to debate it, according to an account at the time in the Bergen Record. “If we do the things that we criticize other nations for doing, it makes us no better than those nations,” student Naazneen Khan was quoted as saying.

(“Ticking time bomb”? “Alito did not answer”?? I don’t know about you, but to me it sure seems like “slam dunk” evidence that Alito’s packing WMD heat. Quick — call Colin Powell and get him back to the UN!)

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By: Wonkatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34142 Wonkatrix Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:01:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34142 <p>For the record, Wonkatrix will be happy with nothing less than another Souter.</p> <p>Until then, she's hired the newly available Judy Miller to go entagle herself with someone who can leak enough to torpedo Scailito.</p> <p>Abraham's shit out of luck. Even if a recount tips the margin in his favor, it'll still be by such a slim margin that Sherrill could fight it tooth and nail. And if Abraham is confused already, no way will he have the orneryness needed to dig in his heels.</p> <p>After the big time one lurks back in the wings, Anil. Hoping that lightning will strike twice and a taste of that schweet schweet nectar will once again be possible...</p> <p>A Faustian bargain my friend. be warned.</p> For the record, Wonkatrix will be happy with nothing less than another Souter.

Until then, she’s hired the newly available Judy Miller to go entagle herself with someone who can leak enough to torpedo Scailito.

Abraham’s shit out of luck. Even if a recount tips the margin in his favor, it’ll still be by such a slim margin that Sherrill could fight it tooth and nail. And if Abraham is confused already, no way will he have the orneryness needed to dig in his heels.

After the big time one lurks back in the wings, Anil. Hoping that lightning will strike twice and a taste of that schweet schweet nectar will once again be possible…

A Faustian bargain my friend. be warned.

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By: Anil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/11/09/abraham_vs_sher_1/comment-page-1/#comment-34137 Anil Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:21:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2493#comment-34137 <blockquote>John Roberts and Samuel Alito (who I predict will be confirmed) tend to yield to states rights.</blockquote> <p>Hmmmm. The other conservative justices on the Court tend to yield to states rights also -- except, of course, <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html">when they don't</a>.</p> <p>But never mind what you and I think, Abhi -- I'm waiting with anticipation to hear more about what Wonkatrix thinks might happen with this one (and, for that matter, with the Alito hearings). Who knows, if she plays her cards right, maybe she'll even be able to parlay her punditry into a guest blogging gig somewhere.... oh wait, never mind. Where does one go when they've hit the big time so early in one's career? :)</p> John Roberts and Samuel Alito (who I predict will be confirmed) tend to yield to states rights.

Hmmmm. The other conservative justices on the Court tend to yield to states rights also — except, of course, when they don’t.

But never mind what you and I think, Abhi — I’m waiting with anticipation to hear more about what Wonkatrix thinks might happen with this one (and, for that matter, with the Alito hearings). Who knows, if she plays her cards right, maybe she’ll even be able to parlay her punditry into a guest blogging gig somewhere…. oh wait, never mind. Where does one go when they’ve hit the big time so early in one’s career? :)

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