Comments on: “It’s My Duty To Help Them Out” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: surya from 2-6 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-69636 surya from 2-6 Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:00:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-69636 <p>yea man... Priyank is the best person in the world...... I think one day he will make his dreams come true and he will one day find the girl of his dreams...... I knew Priyank for a while he lives in my building. This guy is funny and cool........ the best freind a person can...........................</p> yea man… Priyank is the best person in the world…… I think one day he will make his dreams come true and he will one day find the girl of his dreams…… I knew Priyank for a while he lives in my building. This guy is funny and cool…….. the best freind a person can………………………

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-33060 Kush Tandon Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:20:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-33060 <p>No worries. I would have not bothered. In past, I have never.</p> <p>But from your comments, it seemed that you have a broad knowledge of indian culture, therefore........</p> No worries. I would have not bothered. In past, I have never.

But from your comments, it seemed that you have a broad knowledge of indian culture, therefore……..

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-33057 Saheli Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:11:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-33057 <p>Ack! I'm sorry Kush, I know you're Kush of Luv and Kush. :-( Poor form to make a typo in someone's name. Thanks for being so gracious about it. My apologies.</p> Ack! I’m sorry Kush, I know you’re Kush of Luv and Kush. :-( Poor form to make a typo in someone’s name. Thanks for being so gracious about it. My apologies.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32868 Kush Tandon Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:42:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32868 <p>sorry, <b>Saheli</b>, infact khush also means happy in <b>Persian</b> too. Quite a few Iranian-Americans have told me.</p> sorry, Saheli, infact khush also means happy in Persian too. Quite a few Iranian-Americans have told me.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32867 Kush Tandon Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:40:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32867 <p><b>Saheli,</b></p> <p>Khush = means Happy in Hindi Kush = Lav & Kush, mythological twins from Ramayana</p> <p>I am Kush, if you haven't figured that out. It doesn't bother me at all......quite often, I Kooosh in Amrika.</p> Saheli,

Khush = means Happy in Hindi Kush = Lav & Kush, mythological twins from Ramayana

I am Kush, if you haven’t figured that out. It doesn’t bother me at all……quite often, I Kooosh in Amrika.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32864 Saheli Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:15:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32864 <p>Hey, I'm glad people liked this. Sorry I'm so scarce. A few follow up points though I'm kinda late.</p> <p><b>Chickpea/Hanuman</b>--yes, I feel the same way.</p> <p><b>KIT</b>: I agree. Every mode of immigration and migration has its trials and tribulations, and the impermanence, allegiance and instability of the H1-B must be pretty stressful.</p> <p><b>ShokPact/technophobicgeek</b>: I think this is also an oft remarked upon difficulty of immigration---it's hard to settle your roots into the new place, but it's also hard to ever truly go back home again.</p> <p><b>Simran/KhushTandon</b>--Yep, I read Nickeled and Dimed when it came out. It's got some methodological issues, and by many accounts her follow up work (Bait and Switch--thanks <b>Maisnon!</b>--and a tirade against using domestic help) is not as good. ND was quite a departure from her decades worth of opinionating, which I grew up reading in the back of TIME. Ehrenreich was aiming to get at the plight of the women being dropped off the welfare rolls, so her thesis was a bit larger and more convoluted, but the basic experiences were similar and illustrative regardless:</p> <p>Housing is a big deal. (This is particularly crucial since the <a href="http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/edmat/html/em/em8743/part1/officialgovt.html">obsolete poverty line metric overemphasizes food.</a>) Networks are crucial for survival, and those without networks are often completely lost. It's easy to be exploited. It's emotionally draining. Naturally these are particularly likely to grate on immigrants.</p> <p><b>Simran</b>, you also touched on a larger point that I didn't get to elaborate on. It's our usual habit at the Mutiny to look at issues from a desi angle--"are there desi's involved in this issue in anyway?" Poverty is particularly bad for the immigrant. But the flipside of that is looking out from our community with a heart strengthened by our desi experience. Immigrants (and their descendants) should be particularly mindful of the issues of poverty and migration. There isn't a community in America that hasn't been touched by the grim difficulty of transplanting and replanting--to the point that we celebrate and fetishize it with goodbye parties, college fledgling rituals, and housewarmings. But all that pomp and circumstance can't hide the fact that nomadic wanderlust of the pioneer is quite plausibly matched by the grief and disorientation of the homebody. For those of us who easily ran off to college here and a new job there, who've got cell phones and email accounts galore, it's difficult to recognize that the poor are often poor because they can't leave, and when they can leave, they're often really screwed. Our economy---regulated by the fed on a national scale--assumes that people will go where the jobs are. But the poor are less able to move with the market, and more likely to fail if they try. Has any ethnic group been so expressive and so articulate about the pain of transplanting as ours? Perhaps not. But we're hardly alone. Native Americans on ten thousand Trails of Tears. And then all the rest of us.</p> <p>And it keeps going on within the states. Fleeing slavery. Fleeing the cold countryside. Fleeing the sooty city. Fleeing the plantation. Fleeing the dust bowl. Fleeing segregation. Fleeing internment. Fleeing the draft. Fleeing crime. Fleeing high housing prices or bad education. Fleeing mental suffocation. Fleeing homophobia. Fleeing the madding crowd. It's an American gift, this freedom of flight. Many of us might die or wither without it. But that doesn't mean it's always easy.</p> <p>Hopefully we will always extend out this experience and skill we have at expressing and recognizing the needs of the transplant. The fact is that while it can be fun and hopeful and exciting, <b>moving also often sucks</b>. If tomorrow all the South Asian Americans magically became uniformly wealthy, reflecting our overall status, I'd like to think we'd remember our millenia tradition of respecting the pain of the exile and still care deeply about these issues of poverty and migration.</p> <p><b>Chai</b>, I too was amazed at both Desai's linguistic skill and his ambition to teach it to others. It's a great detail--when you respect and admire someone, you can also respect and acknowledge their problems, instead of a shallow and dismissable kind of pity. I'm thinking he'll make it, though. Viva Desai! :-)</p> Hey, I’m glad people liked this. Sorry I’m so scarce. A few follow up points though I’m kinda late.

Chickpea/Hanuman–yes, I feel the same way.

KIT: I agree. Every mode of immigration and migration has its trials and tribulations, and the impermanence, allegiance and instability of the H1-B must be pretty stressful.

ShokPact/technophobicgeek: I think this is also an oft remarked upon difficulty of immigration—it’s hard to settle your roots into the new place, but it’s also hard to ever truly go back home again.

Simran/KhushTandon–Yep, I read Nickeled and Dimed when it came out. It’s got some methodological issues, and by many accounts her follow up work (Bait and Switch–thanks Maisnon!–and a tirade against using domestic help) is not as good. ND was quite a departure from her decades worth of opinionating, which I grew up reading in the back of TIME. Ehrenreich was aiming to get at the plight of the women being dropped off the welfare rolls, so her thesis was a bit larger and more convoluted, but the basic experiences were similar and illustrative regardless:

Housing is a big deal. (This is particularly crucial since the obsolete poverty line metric overemphasizes food.) Networks are crucial for survival, and those without networks are often completely lost. It’s easy to be exploited. It’s emotionally draining. Naturally these are particularly likely to grate on immigrants.

Simran, you also touched on a larger point that I didn’t get to elaborate on. It’s our usual habit at the Mutiny to look at issues from a desi angle–”are there desi’s involved in this issue in anyway?” Poverty is particularly bad for the immigrant. But the flipside of that is looking out from our community with a heart strengthened by our desi experience. Immigrants (and their descendants) should be particularly mindful of the issues of poverty and migration. There isn’t a community in America that hasn’t been touched by the grim difficulty of transplanting and replanting–to the point that we celebrate and fetishize it with goodbye parties, college fledgling rituals, and housewarmings. But all that pomp and circumstance can’t hide the fact that nomadic wanderlust of the pioneer is quite plausibly matched by the grief and disorientation of the homebody. For those of us who easily ran off to college here and a new job there, who’ve got cell phones and email accounts galore, it’s difficult to recognize that the poor are often poor because they can’t leave, and when they can leave, they’re often really screwed. Our economy—regulated by the fed on a national scale–assumes that people will go where the jobs are. But the poor are less able to move with the market, and more likely to fail if they try. Has any ethnic group been so expressive and so articulate about the pain of transplanting as ours? Perhaps not. But we’re hardly alone. Native Americans on ten thousand Trails of Tears. And then all the rest of us.

And it keeps going on within the states. Fleeing slavery. Fleeing the cold countryside. Fleeing the sooty city. Fleeing the plantation. Fleeing the dust bowl. Fleeing segregation. Fleeing internment. Fleeing the draft. Fleeing crime. Fleeing high housing prices or bad education. Fleeing mental suffocation. Fleeing homophobia. Fleeing the madding crowd. It’s an American gift, this freedom of flight. Many of us might die or wither without it. But that doesn’t mean it’s always easy.

Hopefully we will always extend out this experience and skill we have at expressing and recognizing the needs of the transplant. The fact is that while it can be fun and hopeful and exciting, moving also often sucks. If tomorrow all the South Asian Americans magically became uniformly wealthy, reflecting our overall status, I’d like to think we’d remember our millenia tradition of respecting the pain of the exile and still care deeply about these issues of poverty and migration.

Chai, I too was amazed at both Desai’s linguistic skill and his ambition to teach it to others. It’s a great detail–when you respect and admire someone, you can also respect and acknowledge their problems, instead of a shallow and dismissable kind of pity. I’m thinking he’ll make it, though. Viva Desai! :-)

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By: Chai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32749 Chai Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:36:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32749 <p>beyond the fact that this man is the american dream, the fact that he can speak english and spanish fluently (and Indian languages as well, I'm sure) is AMAZING.</p> beyond the fact that this man is the american dream, the fact that he can speak english and spanish fluently (and Indian languages as well, I’m sure) is AMAZING.

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By: maisnon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32743 maisnon Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:29:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32743 <blockquote>Anyone read Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America , by Barbara Ehrenreich?</blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/"> Barbara Ehrenreich</a> recently wrote "Bait and Switch", sort of the same idea as her previous book - but exploring white-collar unemployment.</p> Anyone read Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America , by Barbara Ehrenreich?

Barbara Ehrenreich recently wrote “Bait and Switch”, sort of the same idea as her previous book – but exploring white-collar unemployment.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32644 Kush Tandon Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:39:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32644 <p>"Anyone read Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America , by Barbara Ehrenreich?"</p> <p>about a year ago, i heard her give a talk. yup, she was check-out clerk at wal-mart. she writes for nyt now and then.</p> “Anyone read Nickeled and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America , by Barbara Ehrenreich?”

about a year ago, i heard her give a talk. yup, she was check-out clerk at wal-mart. she writes for nyt now and then.

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/31/its_my_duty_to/comment-page-1/#comment-32643 Kush Tandon Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:34:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2445#comment-32643 <p>priyank deseai is excellent. ......he will be an example of american dream.</p> <p>good work, saheli</p> priyank deseai is excellent. ……he will be an example of american dream.

good work, saheli

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