Comments on: “Father of the B-2” arrested http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: desivir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-33509 desivir Sat, 05 Nov 2005 01:06:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-33509 <p>what is the diffrerence between A Q Khan of Pakistan and Gowalia?</p> <p>desivir</p> what is the diffrerence between A Q Khan of Pakistan and Gowalia?

desivir

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32223 Kush Tandon Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:08:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32223 <p>mainsh,</p> <p>jonathan jay pollard was a naval inteligence officer and Aragoncillo, a marine. neither were scientists working in labs......i gowadia is more a loud-mouth (just reading this post)</p> <p>So Saheli's early statement still holds true.</p> mainsh,

jonathan jay pollard was a naval inteligence officer and Aragoncillo, a marine. neither were scientists working in labs……i gowadia is more a loud-mouth (just reading this post)

So Saheli’s early statement still holds true.

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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32220 GujuDude Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:03:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32220 <blockquote>Israeli-American is tricky b/c both countries can often equally claim the person, and if the parents are American citizens the actual place of birth does not matter.</blockquote> <p>Israelis and French have had some of the most active spy networks in the United States with the later focusing more on industrial espionage.</p> Israeli-American is tricky b/c both countries can often equally claim the person, and if the parents are American citizens the actual place of birth does not matter.

Israelis and French have had some of the most active spy networks in the United States with the later focusing more on industrial espionage.

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By: lostone http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32218 lostone Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:00:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32218 <p>blah blah blah..typical indian ; always bragging...</p> <p>does his house fly?</p> blah blah blah..typical indian ; always bragging…

does his house fly?

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32187 Vikram Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:20:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32187 <p>It seems more than likely that <a href="http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/ali-mohammed/">Ali Mohammed</a> the Eqyptian born ex-U.S. Special Forces sergeant passed on the weapons/explosives training and tactics as well as other classified military information he received while in the U.S army to Al Qaeda members. Oddly he has not received as much coverage in the press as one would think such a sensational case should.</p> It seems more than likely that Ali Mohammed the Eqyptian born ex-U.S. Special Forces sergeant passed on the weapons/explosives training and tactics as well as other classified military information he received while in the U.S army to Al Qaeda members. Oddly he has not received as much coverage in the press as one would think such a sensational case should.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32180 Saheli Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:40:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32180 <p>Hmm, Manish, I think the Fillipino was after the 2000 panel. So at least Gowadia didn't single handedly take it down.</p> <p>Israeli-American is tricky b/c both countries can often equally claim the person, and if the parents are American citizens the actual place of birth does not matter.</p> Hmm, Manish, I think the Fillipino was after the 2000 panel. So at least Gowadia didn’t single handedly take it down.

Israeli-American is tricky b/c both countries can often equally claim the person, and if the parents are American citizens the actual place of birth does not matter.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32176 Manish Vij Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:31:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32176 <blockquote>... the only known example of someone engaged in technical espionage in the United States who was not a native citizen was Klaus Fuchs.</blockquote> <p>Maybe not technical espionage, but certainly stealing classified docs: there was an Israeli-American if I recall correctly, and recently a <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1187030&page=1">Filipino-American</a>, to go along with the native-born turncoats.</p> … the only known example of someone engaged in technical espionage in the United States who was not a native citizen was Klaus Fuchs.

Maybe not technical espionage, but certainly stealing classified docs: there was an Israeli-American if I recall correctly, and recently a Filipino-American, to go along with the native-born turncoats.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32168 Saheli Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:08:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32168 <p>Shit. He had to go and ruin a great run.</p> <p>In 2000 I went to a meeting of the American Physical Society where there was a panel discussion of the issue of spying in the United States. This was after the Wen Ho Lee case had blown over (which had, incidentally, opened while we were all at the Centennial American Physical Society meeting in Atlanta the year previous) and also while the DOE was trying to decide what to do about India and Pakistan's nuclear bomb tests. At the time people (physicists) were more irate over the holdup at Fermi Labs because the DOE was threatening to not let the Indian portion of the collaboration install their contribution, and also b/c some bureaucrat wanted to remove the Indian flag from the Fermi flag lineup. (I believe the scientist director said that if they tried to do that, he would have to remove <i>all</i> the flags, including the American one.) But there was also some discussion of the proposition which had been batted around (and I think soundly shot down) of making DOE scientists wear badges which identified them as native or naturalized citizens, and if naturalized, announced their place of birth.</p> <p>Now somebody there---John McTague? William Colglazier? I wish I had kept my notes handy--had had access to a classified report on the statistics of people considered by the government to have been engaged in technical espionage. And that person had said, at that time, that the only known example of someone engaged in technical espionage in the United States who was not a native citizen was Klaus Fuchs. Granted, his espionage was sort of the mother of all espionage, but it's still a striking statistic. No other immigrant was considered by the government to have betrayed their new country.</p> <p>I just want to throw that out. This guy has tainted the impressive figure, but it's still pretty impressive.</p> Shit. He had to go and ruin a great run.

In 2000 I went to a meeting of the American Physical Society where there was a panel discussion of the issue of spying in the United States. This was after the Wen Ho Lee case had blown over (which had, incidentally, opened while we were all at the Centennial American Physical Society meeting in Atlanta the year previous) and also while the DOE was trying to decide what to do about India and Pakistan’s nuclear bomb tests. At the time people (physicists) were more irate over the holdup at Fermi Labs because the DOE was threatening to not let the Indian portion of the collaboration install their contribution, and also b/c some bureaucrat wanted to remove the Indian flag from the Fermi flag lineup. (I believe the scientist director said that if they tried to do that, he would have to remove all the flags, including the American one.) But there was also some discussion of the proposition which had been batted around (and I think soundly shot down) of making DOE scientists wear badges which identified them as native or naturalized citizens, and if naturalized, announced their place of birth.

Now somebody there—John McTague? William Colglazier? I wish I had kept my notes handy–had had access to a classified report on the statistics of people considered by the government to have been engaged in technical espionage. And that person had said, at that time, that the only known example of someone engaged in technical espionage in the United States who was not a native citizen was Klaus Fuchs. Granted, his espionage was sort of the mother of all espionage, but it’s still a striking statistic. No other immigrant was considered by the government to have betrayed their new country.

I just want to throw that out. This guy has tainted the impressive figure, but it’s still pretty impressive.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32160 Vikram Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:40:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32160 <p>A bit of digging around unearthed some interesting details about stealth technology not being quite as "invisible" as the boffins would have you believe. An "X Files" like coverup/conspiracy to hide that information seems to be going on:</p> <p><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/20/stealth_detection_system_disappears/">Stealth detection system disappears from screens</a></p> <blockquote> A British research and development company, which claims to have invented a method to detect stealth aircraft, has clammed up on details about its technology. The system uses a traditional mobile phone network to detect stealth aircraft as they pass silently through the ether. Although the aircraft have advanced coatings which absorb conventional radar signals, they apparently still reflect back enough radiation emitted from mobile phone masts to be detected by special ground receivers. The receivers are linked to a central computer which - in sync with a GPS satellite - is able to position the aircraft to within 10 metres. The central computer could conceivably be a simple notebook operated by ground troops. Once exposed, the stealth aircraft would be easy prey for convential ground-to-air missiles. </blockquote> A bit of digging around unearthed some interesting details about stealth technology not being quite as “invisible” as the boffins would have you believe. An “X Files” like coverup/conspiracy to hide that information seems to be going on:

Stealth detection system disappears from screens

A British research and development company, which claims to have invented a method to detect stealth aircraft, has clammed up on details about its technology. The system uses a traditional mobile phone network to detect stealth aircraft as they pass silently through the ether. Although the aircraft have advanced coatings which absorb conventional radar signals, they apparently still reflect back enough radiation emitted from mobile phone masts to be detected by special ground receivers. The receivers are linked to a central computer which – in sync with a GPS satellite – is able to position the aircraft to within 10 metres. The central computer could conceivably be a simple notebook operated by ground troops. Once exposed, the stealth aircraft would be easy prey for convential ground-to-air missiles.
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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/28/father_of_the_b_1/comment-page-1/#comment-32158 GujuDude Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:37:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2436#comment-32158 <p>Like you said Abhi, you <i>almost</i> feel bad for him. He did it for the attention and the money. You sign paperwork and get a clearance knowing that whatever you do, stays within. You have experience in the Govt. (NASA right?).</p> <p>Can't blame a scientist for wanting so recognition, but knowing the implications of giving up sensitive information (technology that can be used AGAINST the United States) and divulging information beyond getting a pat on the back is different. I have no sympathy for him. He's a big boy and knows the consequences of his actions.</p> <p>Dude's a traitor, not just some scientist who got drunk at party and boasted a bit about is accomplishments.</p> Like you said Abhi, you almost feel bad for him. He did it for the attention and the money. You sign paperwork and get a clearance knowing that whatever you do, stays within. You have experience in the Govt. (NASA right?).

Can’t blame a scientist for wanting so recognition, but knowing the implications of giving up sensitive information (technology that can be used AGAINST the United States) and divulging information beyond getting a pat on the back is different. I have no sympathy for him. He’s a big boy and knows the consequences of his actions.

Dude’s a traitor, not just some scientist who got drunk at party and boasted a bit about is accomplishments.

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