Comments on: Happy Birrrthday Dear Patriot Act… http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jeremy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-32014 Jeremy Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:20:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-32014 <p>I agree. But at the same time I think it's good to see the murderousness of militant Islam opposed, and opposed militarily, and the US leadership role in this is obvious, unless you want to watch Europe try driving down to the middle east in their volvos to put a stop to the violence.</p> <p>Like much of good manners, the phrase war on terror is false. If there was a good idea behind it, it was to avoid alienating the broad swath of muslim opinion, to win the war for hearts and minds.</p> <p>There are a few small radical Jewish groups out there. If one committed a terrorist act (on Israeli did on a bus last month during the Gaza pullout, shooting an Arab), I'd be pained to see my government declare a war on radical Judaism, even though that would be the correct phrase.</p> <p>I understand the desire to avoid the use of a state of war as political prop. But the external aggression, and its manipulation by the US gov't, are two different issues, both I think real.</p> I agree. But at the same time I think it’s good to see the murderousness of militant Islam opposed, and opposed militarily, and the US leadership role in this is obvious, unless you want to watch Europe try driving down to the middle east in their volvos to put a stop to the violence.

Like much of good manners, the phrase war on terror is false. If there was a good idea behind it, it was to avoid alienating the broad swath of muslim opinion, to win the war for hearts and minds.

There are a few small radical Jewish groups out there. If one committed a terrorist act (on Israeli did on a bus last month during the Gaza pullout, shooting an Arab), I’d be pained to see my government declare a war on radical Judaism, even though that would be the correct phrase.

I understand the desire to avoid the use of a state of war as political prop. But the external aggression, and its manipulation by the US gov’t, are two different issues, both I think real.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31977 Manish Vij Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:46:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31977 <blockquote>But as for the war on terror being unreal; however cynically it may be being prosecuted by the US gov't, I doubt the Hindu population of Bali regards it as a fantasy.</blockquote> <p>The war on 'terror' is like the war on 'crime.' It existed long before the recent Bali bombings and will exist in one form or another long after. The only difference is that NYC took a grievous hit, and Dubya's speechwriter coined a catchy phrase.</p> But as for the war on terror being unreal; however cynically it may be being prosecuted by the US gov’t, I doubt the Hindu population of Bali regards it as a fantasy.

The war on ‘terror’ is like the war on ‘crime.’ It existed long before the recent Bali bombings and will exist in one form or another long after. The only difference is that NYC took a grievous hit, and Dubya’s speechwriter coined a catchy phrase.

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By: Jeremy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31976 Jeremy Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:33:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31976 <p>Well, yes, the cold war lasted forty or so years, the hundred year's war finally came to an end after about 130. I agree that sometimes long can be too long, and I meditate without concluding on the saying that wars force their participants to adopt each other's strategies, and eventually systems.</p> <p>But as for the war on terror being unreal; however cynically it may be being prosecuted by the US gov't, I doubt the Hindu population of Bali regards it as a fantasy.</p> <p>To deny the reality of terrorism is to deny the reality of the KKK, America's Al Qaida. Here is my definition:</p> <ul> <li><p>Terrorizing civilians - women and children.</p></li> <li><p>Concealing of the fighters' identities (masks - no uniforms).</p></li> <li><p>Seeking to subjugate an entire population (reduce rather than expand human rights).</p></li> </ul> <p>We celebrated Rosa Parks life and passing just a couple days ago. Personally I find parallels, and a heartening involvment in the ending of genocides and extension of human rights, and protection of the innocent.</p> Well, yes, the cold war lasted forty or so years, the hundred year’s war finally came to an end after about 130. I agree that sometimes long can be too long, and I meditate without concluding on the saying that wars force their participants to adopt each other’s strategies, and eventually systems.

But as for the war on terror being unreal; however cynically it may be being prosecuted by the US gov’t, I doubt the Hindu population of Bali regards it as a fantasy.

To deny the reality of terrorism is to deny the reality of the KKK, America’s Al Qaida. Here is my definition:

  • Terrorizing civilians – women and children.

  • Concealing of the fighters’ identities (masks – no uniforms).

  • Seeking to subjugate an entire population (reduce rather than expand human rights).

We celebrated Rosa Parks life and passing just a couple days ago. Personally I find parallels, and a heartening involvment in the ending of genocides and extension of human rights, and protection of the innocent.

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31935 MoorNam Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:25:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31935 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p><I>Once the war on terror is over...</I></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Once there is a fully functioning Southern Baptist church in Mecca, you'll know that the war on "terror" is over.</p> <p>M. Nam</p>

Once the war on terror is over…

Once there is a fully functioning Southern Baptist church in Mecca, you’ll know that the war on “terror” is over.

M. Nam

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By: VBSF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31931 VBSF Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:00:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31931 <blockquote>This is all a little too "1984" for me.</blockquote> <p>i know, i know...blame it on the noam chomsky book i'm reading!</p> <p>titled "imperial ambitions". biased much? :)</p> <p>there's also a fascinating pamphlet by eqbal ahmad called "terrorism, theirs & ours" on this topic. very thought-provoking!</p> This is all a little too “1984″ for me.

i know, i know…blame it on the noam chomsky book i’m reading!

titled “imperial ambitions”. biased much? :)

there’s also a fascinating pamphlet by eqbal ahmad called “terrorism, theirs & ours” on this topic. very thought-provoking!

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31930 Ang Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:55:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31930 <p>This is all a little too "1984" for me.</p> This is all a little too “1984″ for me.

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By: VBSF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31927 VBSF Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:51:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31927 <blockquote>Once the war on terror is over </blockquote> <p>that's a little naive and simplistic, methinks, but i salute your optimism. the "war on terror" practically is a political tool and media label, with nasty aftereffects like the Patriot Act and increased indiscrimate scrutiny on immigration.</p> <p>there's a fine line differentiating when the labels "terrorist" and "ally" are used--depending on political expediency and necessity. the war on terror will never end per se, it will merely take on a different name.</p> <p>similarly (ang, to answer your question) will the patriot act ever be 'reversed'? never because it will be the right thing to do, but only because it will suit the prevailing administration's interests and priorities at the time.</p> Once the war on terror is over

that’s a little naive and simplistic, methinks, but i salute your optimism. the “war on terror” practically is a political tool and media label, with nasty aftereffects like the Patriot Act and increased indiscrimate scrutiny on immigration.

there’s a fine line differentiating when the labels “terrorist” and “ally” are used–depending on political expediency and necessity. the war on terror will never end per se, it will merely take on a different name.

similarly (ang, to answer your question) will the patriot act ever be ‘reversed’? never because it will be the right thing to do, but only because it will suit the prevailing administration’s interests and priorities at the time.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31907 Manish Vij Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:48:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31907 <blockquote>Once the war on terror is over...</blockquote> <p>Good luck with that. Fake war, artificially defined, politically useful, no termination date.</p> <p>'Once the war on poverty is over...'</p> Once the war on terror is over…

Good luck with that. Fake war, artificially defined, politically useful, no termination date.

‘Once the war on poverty is over…’

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31900 Ang Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:09:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31900 <blockquote>I'll be lobbying strongly for a return of the civil rights affected by the Patriot Act.</blockquote> <p>I'm not American, so I will ask those of you who are, Even if you think there were the best of intentions behind the formation of the act, do you really think the patriot act will be reversed after the war "is over"? What if it isn't?</p> I’ll be lobbying strongly for a return of the civil rights affected by the Patriot Act.

I’m not American, so I will ask those of you who are, Even if you think there were the best of intentions behind the formation of the act, do you really think the patriot act will be reversed after the war “is over”? What if it isn’t?

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By: aviendha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/26/happy_birrrthda/comment-page-1/#comment-31885 aviendha Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:18:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2420#comment-31885 <p>It's amazing...just thinking about the Patriot Act makes my skin crawl. Has it really been four years already??? I wish more people would care about this...</p> It’s amazing…just thinking about the Patriot Act makes my skin crawl. Has it really been four years already??? I wish more people would care about this…

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