Comments on: Mukhtar Mai Update Part II http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Kenyandesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31753 Kenyandesi Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:21:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31753 <p>argus_nj, my appologies I just re-read your statement and saw that you did have the word "purported."</p> <p>But I just heard the little brother being blamed twice today and I got a little heated.</p> <p>Again, sorry :/</p> argus_nj, my appologies I just re-read your statement and saw that you did have the word “purported.”

But I just heard the little brother being blamed twice today and I got a little heated.

Again, sorry :/

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By: Kenyandesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31752 Kenyandesi Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:17:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31752 <blockquote>Forgot to add, the purported crime for which she was "punished" was not even committed by her, it was by her brother.</blockquote> <p>Her <b>12 year old </b>brother who after being sodomized is accused of <b>being seen in the company </b>of a Mastoi woman thereby bring shame on the Mastoi clan.</p> <p>So they sodomize him, when the family threatens to report it they accuse him of adultery and gang-rape his sister.</p> <p>Yeah not so much blaming the little brother here.</p> <p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4620065.stm">BBC Timeline</a></p> Forgot to add, the purported crime for which she was “punished” was not even committed by her, it was by her brother.

Her 12 year old brother who after being sodomized is accused of being seen in the company of a Mastoi woman thereby bring shame on the Mastoi clan.

So they sodomize him, when the family threatens to report it they accuse him of adultery and gang-rape his sister.

Yeah not so much blaming the little brother here.

BBC Timeline

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By: argus_nj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31693 argus_nj Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:20:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31693 <p>Forgot to add, the purported crime for which she was "punished" was not even committed by her, it was by her brother.</p> Forgot to add, the purported crime for which she was “punished” was not even committed by her, it was by her brother.

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By: argus_nj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31692 argus_nj Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:17:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31692 <blockquote>The amount of bad karma the US is accumulating by this subterfuge will definitely come to light someday.</blockquote> <p>Does not hold a candle to the colossal amount of bad Karma Pakistan might be accumulating, where, get this, a woman can be gang raped legally by the directive of a village council and where in general most women are treated like cattle anyway.</p> <p>I doubt Dr Rice specifically wanted to go overboard to discredit Pakistan (does that country need any more discrediting?) It is just that this particular incident was so atrocious and was so widely reported that there may have been a more of a humanitarian component in there.</p> The amount of bad karma the US is accumulating by this subterfuge will definitely come to light someday.

Does not hold a candle to the colossal amount of bad Karma Pakistan might be accumulating, where, get this, a woman can be gang raped legally by the directive of a village council and where in general most women are treated like cattle anyway.

I doubt Dr Rice specifically wanted to go overboard to discredit Pakistan (does that country need any more discrediting?) It is just that this particular incident was so atrocious and was so widely reported that there may have been a more of a humanitarian component in there.

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31647 Ennis Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:19:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31647 <p>MoorNam - I really doubt that the US government wants to embarass Pakistan, quite the opposite.</p> MoorNam – I really doubt that the US government wants to embarass Pakistan, quite the opposite.

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31625 MoorNam Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:25:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31625 <p>argus_nj/ennis,</p> <p>What I am hearing is that the US is using the unfortunate case of a foreign rape victim in order to further its geopolitical agenda, but under the guise of humanitarianism.</p> <p>The amount of bad karma the US is accumulating by this subterfuge will definitely come to light someday.</p> <p>M. Nam</p> argus_nj/ennis,

What I am hearing is that the US is using the unfortunate case of a foreign rape victim in order to further its geopolitical agenda, but under the guise of humanitarianism.

The amount of bad karma the US is accumulating by this subterfuge will definitely come to light someday.

M. Nam

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By: Ennis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31621 Ennis Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:13:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31621 <blockquote>Why should Ms Rice waste her time and resources on a woman in a foreign country? Is this her job description? She is paid a salary from my taxes to do perform her duties towards American citizens. The Dept. of State should not be playing United Nations.</blockquote> <p>Actually, State often gets involved when foreigners are invited to the US but unable to come. This dates back to the cold war when it was a way of scoring propaganda points against the Warsaw Pact who ignored international law and denied their citizens the freedom to travel.</p> Why should Ms Rice waste her time and resources on a woman in a foreign country? Is this her job description? She is paid a salary from my taxes to do perform her duties towards American citizens. The Dept. of State should not be playing United Nations.

Actually, State often gets involved when foreigners are invited to the US but unable to come. This dates back to the cold war when it was a way of scoring propaganda points against the Warsaw Pact who ignored international law and denied their citizens the freedom to travel.

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By: argus_nj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31610 argus_nj Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:12:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31610 <blockquote>What if tomorrow the State dept. decides to extradite the Calcutta mullah who fatwad Sania for her tennis dress and tried him as per US law?</blockquote> <p>The purported crime here was committed in Indian judicial territory, US has no right to seek an extradition.</p> <blockquote>The Dept. of State should not be playing United Nations.</blockquote> <p>The state department gets involved in high profile cases. Usually it starts with humanitarian grounds (which leads to the whole spectrum of political asylum etc.). It is the job of the state department to communicate with other countries, I believe the first point of contact is US diplomatic mission in the country in question, which reports to state department.</p> <p>Why might the state department get involved? I think there are complex reasons behind this. I will not rule out a game theoristic explanation - a consistent stand and firm humanitarian policies give US the upper hand in future negotiations.</p> What if tomorrow the State dept. decides to extradite the Calcutta mullah who fatwad Sania for her tennis dress and tried him as per US law?

The purported crime here was committed in Indian judicial territory, US has no right to seek an extradition.

The Dept. of State should not be playing United Nations.

The state department gets involved in high profile cases. Usually it starts with humanitarian grounds (which leads to the whole spectrum of political asylum etc.). It is the job of the state department to communicate with other countries, I believe the first point of contact is US diplomatic mission in the country in question, which reports to state department.

Why might the state department get involved? I think there are complex reasons behind this. I will not rule out a game theoristic explanation – a consistent stand and firm humanitarian policies give US the upper hand in future negotiations.

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By: Vidster http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31596 Vidster Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:09:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31596 <p>Today's BBC headline seems to indicate she may already be <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4374344.stm">here</a>.</p> Today’s BBC headline seems to indicate she may already be here.

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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/25/mukhtar_mai_upd/comment-page-1/#comment-31594 MoorNam Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:57:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2412#comment-31594 <p>This post is strictly from a desi American citizen's perspective...</p> <p>Why should Ms Rice waste her time and resources on a woman in a foreign country? Is this her job description? She is paid a salary from my taxes to do perform her duties towards American citizens. The Dept. of State should not be playing United Nations.</p> <p>Are'nt there enough American women/girls who face date rapes, abuse, beatings, disappearances, insurance-murders, fetus-grabbings etc? Can we like...concentrate within the country?</p> <p>From a foreign policy perspective, isn't this exactly the attitude which makes more enemies abroad - the attitude that America knows what's best for others?</p> <p>From a David vs Goliath perspective, am I the only one thinking that America can do this only to countries like Pakistan? If say, Saudi or China had similiarly treated their citizens(as they have and continue to do so), America turns a blind eye to it?</p> <p>I am perfectly ok with NYTimes, International Human Rights groups etc tightening the screws on Pakistan on this issue - they are not the State and are free to set their own agenda. But why should the State dept. interfere? What if tomorrow the State dept. decides to extradite the Calcutta mullah who fatwad Sania for her tennis dress and tried him as per US law?</p> <p>M. Nam</p> This post is strictly from a desi American citizen’s perspective…

Why should Ms Rice waste her time and resources on a woman in a foreign country? Is this her job description? She is paid a salary from my taxes to do perform her duties towards American citizens. The Dept. of State should not be playing United Nations.

Are’nt there enough American women/girls who face date rapes, abuse, beatings, disappearances, insurance-murders, fetus-grabbings etc? Can we like…concentrate within the country?

From a foreign policy perspective, isn’t this exactly the attitude which makes more enemies abroad – the attitude that America knows what’s best for others?

From a David vs Goliath perspective, am I the only one thinking that America can do this only to countries like Pakistan? If say, Saudi or China had similiarly treated their citizens(as they have and continue to do so), America turns a blind eye to it?

I am perfectly ok with NYTimes, International Human Rights groups etc tightening the screws on Pakistan on this issue – they are not the State and are free to set their own agenda. But why should the State dept. interfere? What if tomorrow the State dept. decides to extradite the Calcutta mullah who fatwad Sania for her tennis dress and tried him as per US law?

M. Nam

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