Comments on: Bird Flu, Indian Reverse Engineers and Mangosteens, Oh My! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: R. Uma Shaanker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-177062 R. Uma Shaanker Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:31:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-177062 <p>But the million dollar question is how does one patent or protect a species (an organism) that has been discovered to have say the highest so far documented quantity of a metabolite such as shikimic acid ? I understand only process patents are possible, which is of now help here. Alternatively we will have to resort to modifying the species by some plant improvement program (say simple mutation/selection) and then apply for a patent for the said material.</p> But the million dollar question is how does one patent or protect a species (an organism) that has been discovered to have say the highest so far documented quantity of a metabolite such as shikimic acid ? I understand only process patents are possible, which is of now help here. Alternatively we will have to resort to modifying the species by some plant improvement program (say simple mutation/selection) and then apply for a patent for the said material.

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By: Jasmine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-176124 Jasmine Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:41:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-176124 <p>Uma Shankar, I was only ephemerally a biologist. But I strongly suggest that you patent whatever you have discovered down the ground- like taxol from yew trees and then found your own drug company. Ok, it might just be a fantasy. Just don't freely give anything to, say, Roche. Knowledge is power, n'est-ce pas?</p> Uma Shankar, I was only ephemerally a biologist. But I strongly suggest that you patent whatever you have discovered down the ground- like taxol from yew trees and then found your own drug company. Ok, it might just be a fantasy. Just don’t freely give anything to, say, Roche. Knowledge is power, n’est-ce pas?

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By: R. Uma Shaanker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-176081 R. Uma Shaanker Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:01:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-176081 <p>I have come late. Three quick questions: a) is interest in sourcing shikimic acid still alive, b) what is the current demand in the global market (high,medium or low) and c) would some one believe and be interested if I said that we have identified a couple of alternate plant sources for shikimic acid. These accumulate levels comparable or sometimes higher than star anise. They accumulate it in the leaves and sufficiently high plant biomass is available. Any immediate takers on the last point please ?</p> I have come late. Three quick questions: a) is interest in sourcing shikimic acid still alive, b) what is the current demand in the global market (high,medium or low) and c) would some one believe and be interested if I said that we have identified a couple of alternate plant sources for shikimic acid. These accumulate levels comparable or sometimes higher than star anise. They accumulate it in the leaves and sufficiently high plant biomass is available. Any immediate takers on the last point please ?

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By: karine http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-41584 karine Sat, 14 Jan 2006 06:22:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-41584 <p>Does any one know what is the expected yield when isolating shikimic acid from pine needles? is shikimic acid can be sold freely?</p> <p>Thanks</p> Does any one know what is the expected yield when isolating shikimic acid from pine needles? is shikimic acid can be sold freely?

Thanks

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By: Sandy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-39526 Sandy Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:03:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-39526 <p>Just an update on Shikimic acid sources - Roche could be in big poo-poo if they think they have the source cornered on commercial production. The article pasted below is from the "Globe and Mail", Toronto. Canada on Dec. 24, 2006.:</p> <hr /> <p>Your used Christmas tree might save you from a bird flu pandemic.</p> <p>As governments around the world scramble to stockpile the antiviral Tamiflu, generic drug maker Biolyse Pharma Corp. plans to begin next month making shikimic acid, the main ingredient in the manufacture of oseltamivir, commonly known as Tamiflu, from the needles of discarded Christmas trees.</p> <p>Tamiflu, as almost everybody knows by now, treats seasonal influenza and is also being championed as a first line of defence against a possible pandemic outbreak of bird flu, which has been devastating chicken populations across Southeast Asia and parts of Europe.</p> <p>So far, the H5N1 virus, which usually strikes people in close contact with diseased fowl or their droppings, has infected an estimated 130 people, killing 70. The worry is that H5N1 will undergo a genetic mutation with a human seasonal influenza virus, morphing into a deadly strain that could jump between people like the common cold.</p> <p>Advertisements click here</p> <p>After being rejected as a Tamiflu supplier by Swiss drug maker F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd., which has a monopoly grip on the manufacture of the drug, Biolyse turned its sights to making shikimik acid.</p> <p>The reason: the price of shikimik acid has soared to more than $500 (U.S.) a kilogram from $45 in the past 12 months on shortages of Tamiflu and skyrocketing demand.</p> <p>Biolyse specializes in extracting chemicals from plants and biomaterials at its plant in St. Catharines, Ont., and now makes a generic version of the cancer drug paclitaxel from yew trees.</p> <p>“Our research has shown that 2-to-3 per cent of the biomass from various pine, spruce and fir trees is extractible shikimic acid,” Biolyse principal Claude Mercure said yesterday.</p> <p>As the process moves to the commercial stage from the laboratory, he said the company is aiming to eventually produce one-to-three tons of shikimic acid a month.</p> <p>To get started, next month it will receive some 500,000 Christmas trees to be donated by Toronto-based Gro-Bark, a forestry recycling company.</p> <p>Most shikimic acid is now extracted from star anise, the fruit of a slow-growing evergreen in China, which is harvested for several months each year. That's why Roche's production of Tamiflu takes about 12 months and there isn't nearly enough of the drug to go around for government stockpiling.</p> <p>“What makes our process more viable is the fact that the particular species of pine, spruce and fir that we are working with are far more abundant than the seedlings of star anise,” said John Fulton, Biolyse's vice-president for new product development.</p> <p>Mr. Mercure said Biolyse has no plans to make Tamiflu unless Ottawa grants compulsory licences under the Patent Act in a national emergency. In such a case, he said the company could produce the drug in five weeks.</p> <p>In countries where Roche's patents on Tamiflu aren't recognized, like the Philippines and Thailand, he said Biolyse is in discussions to sell shikimic acid and provide technical assistance so the drug can be manufactured for use in that country.</p> Just an update on Shikimic acid sources – Roche could be in big poo-poo if they think they have the source cornered on commercial production. The article pasted below is from the “Globe and Mail”, Toronto. Canada on Dec. 24, 2006.:


Your used Christmas tree might save you from a bird flu pandemic.

As governments around the world scramble to stockpile the antiviral Tamiflu, generic drug maker Biolyse Pharma Corp. plans to begin next month making shikimic acid, the main ingredient in the manufacture of oseltamivir, commonly known as Tamiflu, from the needles of discarded Christmas trees.

Tamiflu, as almost everybody knows by now, treats seasonal influenza and is also being championed as a first line of defence against a possible pandemic outbreak of bird flu, which has been devastating chicken populations across Southeast Asia and parts of Europe.

So far, the H5N1 virus, which usually strikes people in close contact with diseased fowl or their droppings, has infected an estimated 130 people, killing 70. The worry is that H5N1 will undergo a genetic mutation with a human seasonal influenza virus, morphing into a deadly strain that could jump between people like the common cold.

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After being rejected as a Tamiflu supplier by Swiss drug maker F. Hoffmann-La Roche Ltd., which has a monopoly grip on the manufacture of the drug, Biolyse turned its sights to making shikimik acid.

The reason: the price of shikimik acid has soared to more than $500 (U.S.) a kilogram from $45 in the past 12 months on shortages of Tamiflu and skyrocketing demand.

Biolyse specializes in extracting chemicals from plants and biomaterials at its plant in St. Catharines, Ont., and now makes a generic version of the cancer drug paclitaxel from yew trees.

“Our research has shown that 2-to-3 per cent of the biomass from various pine, spruce and fir trees is extractible shikimic acid,” Biolyse principal Claude Mercure said yesterday.

As the process moves to the commercial stage from the laboratory, he said the company is aiming to eventually produce one-to-three tons of shikimic acid a month.

To get started, next month it will receive some 500,000 Christmas trees to be donated by Toronto-based Gro-Bark, a forestry recycling company.

Most shikimic acid is now extracted from star anise, the fruit of a slow-growing evergreen in China, which is harvested for several months each year. That’s why Roche’s production of Tamiflu takes about 12 months and there isn’t nearly enough of the drug to go around for government stockpiling.

“What makes our process more viable is the fact that the particular species of pine, spruce and fir that we are working with are far more abundant than the seedlings of star anise,” said John Fulton, Biolyse’s vice-president for new product development.

Mr. Mercure said Biolyse has no plans to make Tamiflu unless Ottawa grants compulsory licences under the Patent Act in a national emergency. In such a case, he said the company could produce the drug in five weeks.

In countries where Roche’s patents on Tamiflu aren’t recognized, like the Philippines and Thailand, he said Biolyse is in discussions to sell shikimic acid and provide technical assistance so the drug can be manufactured for use in that country.

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By: just_a_biochemist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-31565 just_a_biochemist Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:32:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-31565 <p>so just FYI, almost EVERY plant makes shikimic acid -- it's a precursor to the amino acids tyrosine and phenylalanine, and your garden variety E.Coli makes shikimic acid, too. The big problem is not production, but isolation. Star Anise happens to make a LOT of shikimic acid, in a form that's easy to extract (press seeds, and freebase).</p> <p>The Roche fermentation method (AFAIK licenced from John Frost - www.frostchemlab.com) involves "plumbing" E Coli's shikimic acid synthesis by removing key bottlenecks and feedback responses in the bacteria. It is slightly less economical to make shikimate than to buy it; and until now, Roche has maintained the fermenters solely as economic leverage against China.</p> so just FYI, almost EVERY plant makes shikimic acid — it’s a precursor to the amino acids tyrosine and phenylalanine, and your garden variety E.Coli makes shikimic acid, too. The big problem is not production, but isolation. Star Anise happens to make a LOT of shikimic acid, in a form that’s easy to extract (press seeds, and freebase).

The Roche fermentation method (AFAIK licenced from John Frost – http://www.frostchemlab.com) involves “plumbing” E Coli’s shikimic acid synthesis by removing key bottlenecks and feedback responses in the bacteria. It is slightly less economical to make shikimate than to buy it; and until now, Roche has maintained the fermenters solely as economic leverage against China.

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By: oodles http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-31017 oodles Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:22:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-31017 <blockquote>I'm not worried about Avian flu in particular, I'm worried about our general public health system, so as you point out, past successes with SARS might not mean much with bird flu. Today it's bird flu, tomorrow it might be resistant tuberculosis or who knows what else. Maybe Janak is right, and this bird flu won't matter. We just don't have a very robust network, I feel.</blockquote> <p>I can tell you that after listening to California's officials talk about the public health infrastructure over the last few days, it's not looking so great. Cuts in funding having taken quite a toll on public health. I keep hoping that news of avian flu will disappear... not so much luck in that department.</p> I’m not worried about Avian flu in particular, I’m worried about our general public health system, so as you point out, past successes with SARS might not mean much with bird flu. Today it’s bird flu, tomorrow it might be resistant tuberculosis or who knows what else. Maybe Janak is right, and this bird flu won’t matter. We just don’t have a very robust network, I feel.

I can tell you that after listening to California’s officials talk about the public health infrastructure over the last few days, it’s not looking so great. Cuts in funding having taken quite a toll on public health. I keep hoping that news of avian flu will disappear… not so much luck in that department.

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By: Just another scientist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-30795 Just another scientist Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:48:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-30795 <p>Great post, Saheli, food for thought, huh?</p> <p>Roche only has assigned <a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/search.pl?p=1&srch=ezsrch&sf=1&pn=&in=&icn=&is=&ic=&isd=&isdto=&ttl=shikimic+acid+&abst=&aclm=&spec=&an=roche&acn=&as=&ac=&ccl=&icl=&apn=&apd=&apdto=&parn=&refe=&fref=&oref=&prir=&pex=&asex=&agt=&uspat=on&date_range=all&stemming=on&sort=chron">patents</a> for chemical synthesis of shikimic acid. They must have bought out someone else's patent for the "fermentation process". In addition to your <a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6613552.html">find</a>, I <a href="http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6436664.html">found this one</a> from the Ajinomoto Company. Both use the same basic principle of introducing certain genes into bacteria to enable them to produce large quantities of shikimic acid or its precursor. So I conclude that Roche's patent is one of these, or one using the same principle. I'm not a patent expert, but I imagine that Cipla could try to patent a new method of manufacture by using a different bacterium/different genes to generate a different shikimic acid precursor. But even thats moot if Roche's patent for the end product (Tamiflu) is upheld in Indian courts.</p> Great post, Saheli, food for thought, huh?

Roche only has assigned patents for chemical synthesis of shikimic acid. They must have bought out someone else’s patent for the “fermentation process”. In addition to your find, I found this one from the Ajinomoto Company. Both use the same basic principle of introducing certain genes into bacteria to enable them to produce large quantities of shikimic acid or its precursor. So I conclude that Roche’s patent is one of these, or one using the same principle. I’m not a patent expert, but I imagine that Cipla could try to patent a new method of manufacture by using a different bacterium/different genes to generate a different shikimic acid precursor. But even thats moot if Roche’s patent for the end product (Tamiflu) is upheld in Indian courts.

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By: timepass http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-30789 timepass Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:51:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-30789 <p>Saheli, thanks for that. Very nicely explained. I had started to imagine a <a href="http://www.poster.net/birds-the/birds-the-rod-tailor-alfred-hitchcock-4000282.jpg">Hitchcockian</a> doomsday scenario where scary virus-ridden birds attack innocent people while they're fighting over Tamiflu shots outside the local pharmacy. No, I'm not paranoid at all!</p> <p>Now I'm going to check out Suhail's link and laugh it all off.</p> Saheli, thanks for that. Very nicely explained. I had started to imagine a Hitchcockian doomsday scenario where scary virus-ridden birds attack innocent people while they’re fighting over Tamiflu shots outside the local pharmacy. No, I’m not paranoid at all!

Now I’m going to check out Suhail’s link and laugh it all off.

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By: Suhail Kazi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/18/bird_flu_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-30745 Suhail Kazi Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:16:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2384#comment-30745 <blockquote>have you read any stories/commentary about avian flu that a total layperson like me can understand? I hear the word 'pandemic' thrown around a lot, and frankly, I'm a little spooked.</blockquote> <p>timepass: I was in a similar situation, until I got hold of Jon Stewart's <a href="http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/oct2005/10-06-05/10-6-05-avianflu.mov">pithy take from his Daily show</a>(via BoingBoing - 10MB). One word: Hilarious. Chk out that whacky Bushism midway through the video... therez loads of gyaan for us :)</p> <p>ps: cicax, you'll need Quicktime to play that file :-)</p> have you read any stories/commentary about avian flu that a total layperson like me can understand? I hear the word ‘pandemic’ thrown around a lot, and frankly, I’m a little spooked.

timepass: I was in a similar situation, until I got hold of Jon Stewart’s pithy take from his Daily show(via BoingBoing – 10MB). One word: Hilarious. Chk out that whacky Bushism midway through the video… therez loads of gyaan for us :)

ps: cicax, you’ll need Quicktime to play that file :-)

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