Comments on: Synthesis In Surinam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Soumya Swaroop http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-241523 Soumya Swaroop Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:38:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-241523 <p>To all those who commented on Rafiq Zakaria,</p> <p>I've had the mischance of meeting him a few times and believe me he was nothing close to 'moderate'. I am from Lucknow and have spent considerable time there as well as in Kanpur and other places in UP where I've met a lot of people who follow Islam - I know what a liberal/moderate person of Islamic faith is like - I have met no other type and I do have a huge sample set. Rafiq Zakaria - may god bless his soul - would have stuck out like a sore thumb among 'real' muslims. Mr. Zakaria's idea of being "secular" - according to his own long winded speeaches to the 3 people sitting in front of him - boiled down to this - A truly secular Muslim follows Islam to the T and never criticizes other religions in public. What he does in private is his private matter. Again, Lord bless his soul, Mr. Zakaria in one word was a 'hypocrite' - not moderate - just great at hiding his un-secularness by writing useless rhetoric stuffed books.</p> To all those who commented on Rafiq Zakaria,

I’ve had the mischance of meeting him a few times and believe me he was nothing close to ‘moderate’. I am from Lucknow and have spent considerable time there as well as in Kanpur and other places in UP where I’ve met a lot of people who follow Islam – I know what a liberal/moderate person of Islamic faith is like – I have met no other type and I do have a huge sample set. Rafiq Zakaria – may god bless his soul – would have stuck out like a sore thumb among ‘real’ muslims. Mr. Zakaria’s idea of being “secular” – according to his own long winded speeaches to the 3 people sitting in front of him – boiled down to this – A truly secular Muslim follows Islam to the T and never criticizes other religions in public. What he does in private is his private matter. Again, Lord bless his soul, Mr. Zakaria in one word was a ‘hypocrite’ – not moderate – just great at hiding his un-secularness by writing useless rhetoric stuffed books.

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By: gopal sharma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-146977 gopal sharma Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:38:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-146977 <p>i am delighted to read about a person who should have already known to everyone . thanks for all. can we get such a biography in chaste Hindi? gs</p> i am delighted to read about a person who should have already known to everyone . thanks for all. can we get such a biography in chaste Hindi? gs

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By: Anubhav Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-46782 Anubhav Singh Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:33:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-46782 <p>whats 'sepia'??? i was searching for some stuff, and google kept dishing out this site to me. looking for 'sepia' on goole, i found this - Sepia - Safeguarding European photographic images for accesss!!!!!!!!!</p> whats ‘sepia’??? i was searching for some stuff, and google kept dishing out this site to me. looking for ‘sepia’ on goole, i found this – Sepia – Safeguarding European photographic images for accesss!!!!!!!!!

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30722 Saheli Wed, 19 Oct 2005 06:13:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30722 <p>That's interesting, <b>Raghav</b>, I have no idea what the etymology of the nation-name is. Thanks, <b>Blokes</b>.</p> <p>Nice link, <b>Nina</b></p> <p><b>Umair</b>, I'm not sure. But tell me when you read it, please!</p> <p><b>SirChes</b> Wittily, I'm sure. ;-)</p> <p><b>Recovering Liberal</b>, let us diagram out your complaint:</p> <p><i>"Why do I have a feeling this guy could have had a great blog if he was around today?"</i></p> <p>You quote me, and let me spell out what my qoute means. This guy is smart and literary and clearly adaptible. If he was around today, I bet he could have learned to use blogger pretty easily. So indeed he <i>could</i> have had a great blog. Unless you address these contentions of mine--smart, literary, and able to use blogger--there are no maybes or buts. My contention stands. Then you write:</p> <p><i>"May be in america. in india, the liberals would condemn him as communal for propagating ramayana."</i></p> <p>First of all, I didn't know there was a species called "The Liberals" in India who could so precisely be labelled and so accurately predicted in their behavior. In fact I just don't believe this. Somehow you seem certain that all the people giving glowing reviews to his book, all the people who helped publish it, and all the people happily buying and selling it, are, in fact, not liberal. I find that highly unlikely. Secondly even if SOME liberals in India condemn Khan, that would hardly prevent him from having a good blog. Sepia Mutineers get condemned all the time, but here they are. Whoever Rafiq Zakaria is, I don't see how he can possibly speak for all liberals, all Muslims, or all liberal Muslims. I don't, actually, remember how he criticized Kalam--and I don't share in his criticism as you state it, that's ludicrous--but criticism does not prevent anyone from having a good blog.</p> <p>I am harping on this point b/c people seem to be confusing criticism with censorship lately, and it's imprecise. Please be precise.</p> <p><b>Manju</b>, I see that you are merely pointing out the pragmatic dynamics of I whatever Zakaria/Kalam discussion RL brought up, . I just don't really see how anyone has the perogative to relabel someone, contradicting their self-identification, on the basis of either what is comforting or practical to the wider group OR what the subject reads.</p> That’s interesting, Raghav, I have no idea what the etymology of the nation-name is. Thanks, Blokes.

Nice link, Nina

Umair, I’m not sure. But tell me when you read it, please!

SirChes Wittily, I’m sure. ;-)

Recovering Liberal, let us diagram out your complaint:

“Why do I have a feeling this guy could have had a great blog if he was around today?”

You quote me, and let me spell out what my qoute means. This guy is smart and literary and clearly adaptible. If he was around today, I bet he could have learned to use blogger pretty easily. So indeed he could have had a great blog. Unless you address these contentions of mine–smart, literary, and able to use blogger–there are no maybes or buts. My contention stands. Then you write:

“May be in america. in india, the liberals would condemn him as communal for propagating ramayana.”

First of all, I didn’t know there was a species called “The Liberals” in India who could so precisely be labelled and so accurately predicted in their behavior. In fact I just don’t believe this. Somehow you seem certain that all the people giving glowing reviews to his book, all the people who helped publish it, and all the people happily buying and selling it, are, in fact, not liberal. I find that highly unlikely. Secondly even if SOME liberals in India condemn Khan, that would hardly prevent him from having a good blog. Sepia Mutineers get condemned all the time, but here they are. Whoever Rafiq Zakaria is, I don’t see how he can possibly speak for all liberals, all Muslims, or all liberal Muslims. I don’t, actually, remember how he criticized Kalam–and I don’t share in his criticism as you state it, that’s ludicrous–but criticism does not prevent anyone from having a good blog.

I am harping on this point b/c people seem to be confusing criticism with censorship lately, and it’s imprecise. Please be precise.

Manju, I see that you are merely pointing out the pragmatic dynamics of I whatever Zakaria/Kalam discussion RL brought up, . I just don’t really see how anyone has the perogative to relabel someone, contradicting their self-identification, on the basis of either what is comforting or practical to the wider group OR what the subject reads.

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By: Raghav Suri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30670 Raghav Suri Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:59:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30670 <p>Really they speak hindi in Suriname? I thought that ''Suri'' had nothing to do with the indian surname (mine).</p> Really they speak hindi in Suriname? I thought that ”Suri” had nothing to do with the indian surname (mine).

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By: SirChes http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30457 SirChes Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:06:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30457 <p><b>"Why do I have a feeling this guy could have had a great blog if he was around today?"</b> We can only speculate on how he would have weighed in on the Toral Mehta affair.</p> “Why do I have a feeling this guy could have had a great blog if he was around today?” We can only speculate on how he would have weighed in on the Toral Mehta affair.

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By: blokes http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30391 blokes Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:03:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30391 <p>wonderfully reserched and informative. Thank you and to Nina for passing your info around.</p> wonderfully reserched and informative. Thank you and to Nina for passing your info around.

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By: manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30359 manju Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:24:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30359 <blockquote>rafeeq zakaria, the most moderate muslim, a muslim can be secular if and only if he sticks to koran. remember how zakaria criticized president abdul kalam because he said he reads ramayana.</blockquote> <p>Rafeeq Zakaria knew his fellow believers. He was not only liberal but practical too. For him model of Indian muslim was Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad. A proud Indian nationalist with equally proud Islamic face of it. No doubt muslims like APJ Abdul Kalam do give secure feeling to Hindu Indians. But perhaps muslims like Abdul Kalam Azad give more assured feeling of Indianness to Hindu Indians. Rafiq Zakaria obviously thought the later face of Indian muslim is more important.</p> rafeeq zakaria, the most moderate muslim, a muslim can be secular if and only if he sticks to koran. remember how zakaria criticized president abdul kalam because he said he reads ramayana.

Rafeeq Zakaria knew his fellow believers. He was not only liberal but practical too. For him model of Indian muslim was Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad. A proud Indian nationalist with equally proud Islamic face of it. No doubt muslims like APJ Abdul Kalam do give secure feeling to Hindu Indians. But perhaps muslims like Abdul Kalam Azad give more assured feeling of Indianness to Hindu Indians. Rafiq Zakaria obviously thought the later face of Indian muslim is more important.

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By: Di http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30356 Di Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:33:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30356 <p>The link that Nina pasted was really helpful.</p> <p>A good sized hindi-speaking population in Suriname? Whoa.</p> The link that Nina pasted was really helpful.

A good sized hindi-speaking population in Suriname? Whoa.

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By: recovering liberal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/16/synthesis_in_su/comment-page-1/#comment-30322 recovering liberal Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:51:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2373#comment-30322 <p>"Why do I have a feeling this guy could have had a great blog if he was around today?" May be in america. in india, the liberals would condemn him as communal for propagating ramayana. according to rafeeq zakaria, the most moderate muslim, a muslim can be secular if and only if he sticks to koran. remember how zakaria criticized president abdul kalam because he said he reads ramayana.</p> “Why do I have a feeling this guy could have had a great blog if he was around today?” May be in america. in india, the liberals would condemn him as communal for propagating ramayana. according to rafeeq zakaria, the most moderate muslim, a muslim can be secular if and only if he sticks to koran. remember how zakaria criticized president abdul kalam because he said he reads ramayana.

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