So no offense intended here either, peace.

Anyways, here’s what I originally intended to comment(sorry, I was out for sometime after my first comment) :

17 by army of me:

“Boyfriend said in the 3 fake wars he took part in, twice he was killed by his own side, leading him to think if he ever fought for Britain, he would quickly die at the hands of bigots rather than foreigners.”

I know someone(X) in Bombay who did four years of NDA and has been posted many times in Kashmir. And another friend of mine(Y) frm Banglore, after completing his B.E. impressed with Indian Army’s Short Service Commission(SSC) programme applied for it. So, apparently these SSC guys become officers after just one year of training whereas the NDA guys slog it out for 4 years(they join after 10+2 aka HSC) and ultimately are (I dont know their ranking system) assigned under these SSC officers. Hence there was/is a growing discontent amongst NDA cadets against SSC types. Apparently, many times during small skirmishes, or chotu-motu yr everyday friendly-jihadi encounters, these NDA cadets themselves try to finish off their officers. And if you believe him there were one or two such cases even in Kargil. “mauqa dekh ke chauka maarna” –yes, that’s what they did.

In short X strongly advised Y not to join through the SSC route saying that there are more chances of him being killed by his own men in some snowcapped mountains.

And after the Tehelka episode and Siachen fake killings cases, I am ready to believe my friend’s word on this, rather than continue to believe in holier-than-thou Army. Ultimately Y opted out.

Um, yea. That was a bit verbose.
Disclaimer – I am employed by the military as a federal GS civilian working ammuntion and explosives. If I ain’t grounded at times, Ram Nam Satya Hai would be the chant of the day.

Press Release OCT 14, 2005

GujuDude officially apologizes for the length of his comment on Sepiamutiny.com, in post #32. He blames the system that educated him for it. Teachers in India sat with a 12 inch wooden ruler and measured the length of essay answers for marks (grades). As a result, today, he suffers from the Keyboard Commando Disease (KCD) .

in re: Larry Summers – he said something which is not controversial – it’s factually wrong. It has been addressed numerous times by scholars in many fields, and the consensus in the field contradiscts Summers’ basic argument. It was a sloppy, lazy, and incorrect statement that pretty much demonstrates a need for further education on the subject. Well deserving of derision and mockery.

Funny to see conservatives going all cultural-relativist for a moment – what about academic standards? Why are they not good enough for Larry Summers?

Why does any wacko who supports right wing agendas get defended by the ‘academic freedom’ crew, while most of them, by the way don’t seem to lose their jobs (any examples here)? Summers is crying all the way to the bank, even the diversity program funding doesn’t come from his pocket.

while left wing wackos (and even non-wackos) get attacked, not defended by academic freedom types, and often fired.

Believe me..I simply forgot what was it that I wanted to write. Will come back if I recollect it.

I don’t think you get my point, or ever will. The military doesn’t have a choice. And yes, a kid who joined up for money is more motivated than someone who was literally forced into it, kicking and screaming. And, you gloss over the fact that MOST don’t fall in that category of poor or people who want to EARN their citizenship, those are subsets.

Just because you don’t like the political leadership, you can’t take a axe to an institution that serves at command.

Using your logic, if one had a doberman guard dog that was very aggressive (the way a guard dog should be), and it bit some people, you decided to cut a leg off so it wouldn’t go around attacking anyone. This doesn’t solve the core problem: The one who controls and trains the dog (civilian leadership). You just make the guard dog ineffective at performing it’s job.

But I digress, your solution at weaking the military is far better than solving our political problems via voting, debate, and holding leadership accountable. If they [troops] can’t fight because rich mommy and daddy don’t want their kids hurt, we won’t have wars RIGHT!!! (gays will be inducted in the military before the draft will EVER come back).

U think a poor kid lured by fake promises will be motivated ?? C’mon, lets get real.

The fact is that when someone else is doing the fighting, everyone goes “Yea.. great !! axis of evil … attack attack … ” when ones own ass is on the line .. they go “Make love not war” …..

Wrong. You, have to look through the perspective of the military man. THEY don’t want people who don’t want to be there, for whatever reason they join it was still a volunteer effort. An unmotivated guy, who doesn’t want to fight, is a danger too. A draft would put men and women in a position where low morale and lack of trust could result in not only a weak military, but get more people killed.

The MILITARY is not in the business of practicing restraint. It’s the civilian leadership’s job, and thats why our elected leaders are the one’s who call the shots (to fight or not). Your position is consistent with someone who wants to achieve political result at the expense of the military, which really isn’t necessary, quite foolish, and dangerous.

Rich kids being forced to fight a war they don’t want (regardless of right/wrong) only spells trouble for everybody.