Comments on: Spinning the choppers http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: O'Ya Bula Bula Bi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29932 O'Ya Bula Bula Bi Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:47:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29932 <blockquote>getting off the cynical bandwagon, i actually think this statistic is pretty impressive... it might be a sign of people <b>buying into the benefits of political freedoms that will eventually motivate change in the country</b></blockquote> <p>Your corelation between political freedom and change is incorrect here. There was no real hatred for the US even when they did NOT have political freedom.Track back to the days of Suharto. They were more or less pro West. Its only around 2001 that anti US sentiments increased.</p> getting off the cynical bandwagon, i actually think this statistic is pretty impressive… it might be a sign of people buying into the benefits of political freedoms that will eventually motivate change in the country

Your corelation between political freedom and change is incorrect here. There was no real hatred for the US even when they did NOT have political freedom.Track back to the days of Suharto. They were more or less pro West. Its only around 2001 that anti US sentiments increased.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29888 Vikram Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:05:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29888 <p>Like I mentioned in my earlier post that there wouldn't be any real gratefulness for American aid in the log term:</p> <blockquote> Another volunteer, Irfan Haider, was more circumspect. "America always helps, like they did during the tsunami," he said, referring to the assistance given by the U.S. military to areas of Indonesia, Thailand and other nations hit by the devastating waves that killed tens of thousands of people last December. <strong> "But I think the U.S. should not help Israel. America's politics are still a problem," Haider said. </strong> </blockquote> <p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051013/ap_on_re_as/quake_helicopter_help_1;_ylt=Ajji5YUJbxhN2BWz0FcUs9HGe50v;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl">U.S. Choppers Ferry Injured From Pakistan</a></p> <p>Not surprising that there has been a somewhat underwhelming response in aid.</p> Like I mentioned in my earlier post that there wouldn’t be any real gratefulness for American aid in the log term:

Another volunteer, Irfan Haider, was more circumspect. “America always helps, like they did during the tsunami,” he said, referring to the assistance given by the U.S. military to areas of Indonesia, Thailand and other nations hit by the devastating waves that killed tens of thousands of people last December. “But I think the U.S. should not help Israel. America’s politics are still a problem,” Haider said.

U.S. Choppers Ferry Injured From Pakistan

Not surprising that there has been a somewhat underwhelming response in aid.

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29877 KXB Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:30:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29877 <p>How about they hand over AQ Khan and we'll build them a Levittown in the center of Muzzafarabad?</p> How about they hand over AQ Khan and we’ll build them a Levittown in the center of Muzzafarabad?

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By: Mark IV http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29865 Mark IV Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:36:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29865 <p>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101884.html</p> <p>According to this WashPo article, the usually benevolent American public arent flinging many coins at Pakistan. Donor fatigue? Perhaps, but I think the public's less than estimable perception of Pakistan has a 'lil to do with it.</p> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101884.html

According to this WashPo article, the usually benevolent American public arent flinging many coins at Pakistan. Donor fatigue? Perhaps, but I think the public’s less than estimable perception of Pakistan has a ‘lil to do with it.

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By: absolutgcs http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29864 absolutgcs Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:35:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29864 <blockquote>Indonesian support for bin Laden dropped from 58% before the tsunami to 23%after U.S. aid</blockquote> <p>ah the joys of democracy and capitalism... we can just buy our support from others around the world. excellent, smithers.</p> <p>getting off the cynical bandwagon, i actually think this statistic is pretty impressive... it might be a sign of people buying into the benefits of political freedoms that will eventually motivate change in the country</p> Indonesian support for bin Laden dropped from 58% before the tsunami to 23%after U.S. aid

ah the joys of democracy and capitalism… we can just buy our support from others around the world. excellent, smithers.

getting off the cynical bandwagon, i actually think this statistic is pretty impressive… it might be a sign of people buying into the benefits of political freedoms that will eventually motivate change in the country

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By: hammer_sickel http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29863 hammer_sickel Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:24:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29863 <p>Pakistan in a state of complete distress... :(</p> <blockquote><b>A few miles to the north of the disaster zone there is a large fleet of helicopters belonging to the Western armies occupying parts of Afghanistan.</b> Why could the US, German and British commanders not dispatch these to save lives? Is the war so fierce that these were needed every single day? Five days after the earthquake, the <b>US released 8 helicopters </b>from war duty to help transport food and water to isolated villages. Too little, too late. <b>The Pakistan Army has been put into action, but armies here and elsewhere, are not suited to relief effort.</b> They are not trained to save lives and reports today that aid convoys are being attacked and seized by angry crowds long before they reach their destination is an indication of the chaos. Even in normal times the poor have limited access to doctors and nurses. <b>The state-of-the-art hospitals in the big cities are exclusively for the wealthy. The shortage of medical staff has been a curse for the last fifty years</b>.[<a href="http://counterpunch.org/tariq10112005.html">Link</a>]</blockquote> Pakistan in a state of complete distress… :(

A few miles to the north of the disaster zone there is a large fleet of helicopters belonging to the Western armies occupying parts of Afghanistan. Why could the US, German and British commanders not dispatch these to save lives? Is the war so fierce that these were needed every single day? Five days after the earthquake, the US released 8 helicopters from war duty to help transport food and water to isolated villages. Too little, too late. The Pakistan Army has been put into action, but armies here and elsewhere, are not suited to relief effort. They are not trained to save lives and reports today that aid convoys are being attacked and seized by angry crowds long before they reach their destination is an indication of the chaos. Even in normal times the poor have limited access to doctors and nurses. The state-of-the-art hospitals in the big cities are exclusively for the wealthy. The shortage of medical staff has been a curse for the last fifty years.[Link]
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By: MoorNam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29859 MoorNam Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:09:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29859 <p>JaiSingh writes: >><I>If the <b>fundies </b>have any decency and integrity at all then they'll do some serious <b>thinking </b>about all this</I></p> <p>One does not use the words "fundies" and "thinking" in the same sentence.</p> <p>M. Nam</p> JaiSingh writes: >>If the fundies have any decency and integrity at all then they’ll do some serious thinking about all this

One does not use the words “fundies” and “thinking” in the same sentence.

M. Nam

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By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29856 Jai Singh Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:46:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29856 <p>I think all this pretty much adds further evidence to the hypocrisy of the fanatics.</p> I think all this pretty much adds further evidence to the hypocrisy of the fanatics.

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By: Vikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29855 Vikram Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:38:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29855 <blockquote> I hope all those wannabe jihadists out there -- especially those born and brought up in the West -- are taking notice of the fact that the very people they despise are the ones who are a) sending on-the-ground manpower and b) in the cases of ordinary citizens, have volunteered/raised -- and are continuing to raise -- millions of pounds/dollars to help the victims of this disaster. </blockquote> <p>Highly doubtful that the wannabe Western jihadists will change their twisted thinking. This guy's own mother was rescued from the WTC ... you can see how it inspired him: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/16/fbi.ny.arrest/index.html">Mohammed Junaid Babar</a> .</p> I hope all those wannabe jihadists out there — especially those born and brought up in the West — are taking notice of the fact that the very people they despise are the ones who are a) sending on-the-ground manpower and b) in the cases of ordinary citizens, have volunteered/raised — and are continuing to raise — millions of pounds/dollars to help the victims of this disaster.

Highly doubtful that the wannabe Western jihadists will change their twisted thinking. This guy’s own mother was rescued from the WTC … you can see how it inspired him: Mohammed Junaid Babar .

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By: Jai Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/10/13/spinning_the_ai/comment-page-1/#comment-29850 Jai Singh Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:24:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2359#comment-29850 <p>Vikram,</p> <p>So much for the much-vaunted "global unity of the Ummah (especially against the 'infidel')"....</p> <p>I hope all those wannabe jihadists out there -- especially those born and brought up in the West -- are taking notice of the fact that the very people they despise are the ones who are a) sending on-the-ground manpower and b) in the cases of ordinary citizens, have volunteered/raised -- and are continuing to raise -- millions of pounds/dollars to help the victims of this disaster. Plus of course the larger sums donated by the various Western governments.</p> <p>If the fundies have any decency and integrity at all then they'll do some serious thinking about all this.</p> Vikram,

So much for the much-vaunted “global unity of the Ummah (especially against the ‘infidel’)”….

I hope all those wannabe jihadists out there — especially those born and brought up in the West — are taking notice of the fact that the very people they despise are the ones who are a) sending on-the-ground manpower and b) in the cases of ordinary citizens, have volunteered/raised — and are continuing to raise — millions of pounds/dollars to help the victims of this disaster. Plus of course the larger sums donated by the various Western governments.

If the fundies have any decency and integrity at all then they’ll do some serious thinking about all this.

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