Comments on: S’cuze me Mister Hombre http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mephistopheles1981 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-28350 Mephistopheles1981 Sun, 02 Oct 2005 06:24:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-28350 <p>VJ dude: In the video, there is a lot of militant imagery. I was just wondering if there was a specific cause you were fighting for?</p> <p>M.I.A: Aaah...aaah...well...aah...</p> <p>http://www.mtv.com/music/video/index.jhtml?_lpvid=49538</p> VJ dude: In the video, there is a lot of militant imagery. I was just wondering if there was a specific cause you were fighting for?

M.I.A: Aaah…aaah…well…aah…

http://www.mtv.com/music/video/index.jhtml?_lpvid=49538

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By: Raju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-28026 Raju Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:36:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-28026 <p>Ang, i think those other pictures are almost way different</p> <p>btw i saw the GQ cover and MIA is the only one whose given such a pose. all the other artists, white dudes, are presented alot more normally (in my opinion)</p> <p>interestingly on a page or two before, is a picture of Cameron Diaz, who is also treated as a sex object in the picture</p> <p>i dislike men's mags because its all about objectifying women and making guys look cool</p> Ang, i think those other pictures are almost way different

btw i saw the GQ cover and MIA is the only one whose given such a pose. all the other artists, white dudes, are presented alot more normally (in my opinion)

interestingly on a page or two before, is a picture of Cameron Diaz, who is also treated as a sex object in the picture

i dislike men’s mags because its all about objectifying women and making guys look cool

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27990 Ang Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:19:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27990 <blockquote>This GQ photo, however, is a full-body shot, barefoot, with thighs aimed straight at the viewer and,</blockquote> <p>Fair enough. Thanks.</p> This GQ photo, however, is a full-body shot, barefoot, with thighs aimed straight at the viewer and,

Fair enough. Thanks.

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27988 Sluggo Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:55:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27988 <p>Just saw her show last night in Chicago. It was pretty good. Turn out was kind of low, but that's to be expected. Some comments from MIA(mostly paraphrased):</p> <p>"I met some from Nairobi who told me that I was number 1 in Nairobi".</p> <p>"Don't believe everything that you read about me. I don't want to be a leader, just an agitator".</p> Just saw her show last night in Chicago. It was pretty good. Turn out was kind of low, but that’s to be expected. Some comments from MIA(mostly paraphrased):

“I met some from Nairobi who told me that I was number 1 in Nairobi”.

“Don’t believe everything that you read about me. I don’t want to be a leader, just an agitator”.

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By: dogday http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27936 dogday Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:02:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27936 <p>Ang: The four photos you put up show MIA in various poses or "states," but none of them are meant to specifically draw attention to sex vis-a-vis her body. This GQ photo, however, is a full-body shot, barefoot, with thighs aimed straight at the viewer and, as Cicatrix mentioned, a "crotch-shot."</p> <p>Honestly, I think the photographer just thought it looked good, interesting and "sexy." But, as Siddhartha points out, the aesthetic is common, generational and grounded in racial imagery and it's not something limited just to "white" magazines or media, (although it sounds weird, the Sir Mixalot example works quite well here; Hype Williams/Kanye West "Golddigger" video uses similar lighting-effects).</p> <p>Whatever the case, even if the picture is just a picture and a spade is just a spade, I thought the whole spread was tacky. The Gucci dress didn't seem to have any connection to her, it was weird...</p> <p>On a sidenote, my unkle looked at this picture of MIA, listened to my rant about her legs and then, without missing a beat, said "She spends too much time in the sun," as though MIA's legs went tanning while her head was in the clouds.</p> <p>Anyhow, I'm nearing hysteria, so, I'll let it go...</p> Ang: The four photos you put up show MIA in various poses or “states,” but none of them are meant to specifically draw attention to sex vis-a-vis her body. This GQ photo, however, is a full-body shot, barefoot, with thighs aimed straight at the viewer and, as Cicatrix mentioned, a “crotch-shot.”

Honestly, I think the photographer just thought it looked good, interesting and “sexy.” But, as Siddhartha points out, the aesthetic is common, generational and grounded in racial imagery and it’s not something limited just to “white” magazines or media, (although it sounds weird, the Sir Mixalot example works quite well here; Hype Williams/Kanye West “Golddigger” video uses similar lighting-effects).

Whatever the case, even if the picture is just a picture and a spade is just a spade, I thought the whole spread was tacky. The Gucci dress didn’t seem to have any connection to her, it was weird…

On a sidenote, my unkle looked at this picture of MIA, listened to my rant about her legs and then, without missing a beat, said “She spends too much time in the sun,” as though MIA’s legs went tanning while her head was in the clouds.

Anyhow, I’m nearing hysteria, so, I’ll let it go…

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By: dhaavak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27866 dhaavak Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:28:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27866 <blockquote>However, I will not attempt to analyze or compare to the song "Big Butts"!!!... Believe me you, I am not enrolling in Sir-Mix-A-Lot Theory 101 anytime soon!!!</blockquote> <p>this thread is getting weirder and weirder :-)) thanks ang - very funny</p> However, I will not attempt to analyze or compare to the song “Big Butts”!!!… Believe me you, I am not enrolling in Sir-Mix-A-Lot Theory 101 anytime soon!!!

this thread is getting weirder and weirder :-) ) thanks ang – very funny

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27864 Ang Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:21:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27864 <blockquote>My problem is that clueless, dismissive write-up. </blockquote> <p>Yeah, I had a problem with the writing too, but now I'm curious about the photograph.</p> <p>"being committed to seeing it's there" and "deciding you'e way to serious it's just x" are two sides of the same coin, and I don't want to be on either side. I can't just decide to be committed to see it, and I won't say you're being too serious, either. Both are too stubborn. If this is a problem, I want to know about it.</p> My problem is that clueless, dismissive write-up.

Yeah, I had a problem with the writing too, but now I’m curious about the photograph.

“being committed to seeing it’s there” and “deciding you’e way to serious it’s just x” are two sides of the same coin, and I don’t want to be on either side. I can’t just decide to be committed to see it, and I won’t say you’re being too serious, either. Both are too stubborn. If this is a problem, I want to know about it.

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By: cicatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27860 cicatrix Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:10:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27860 <p>mmm...I don't really have an issue with her face being lighter...or the dress, really. Just sad to see her lose some of her more idiocycratic elements as she goes mainstream. It's inevitable, and I suppose it's better that she move to a wider arena than stay stuck in World-music ghetto. Especially since I've already ranted about how 'mainstream' music mags STILL talks about bands that were popular THIRTY FIVE years ago.</p> <p>I mean, sure the Beatles were genius. The Stones were sexy. They were inspirational to so many, blah blah...but MOVE ON, you know? There's a wider world out there, with a zillion other groups. And I'm gonna love MIA forever for shoving that world into people's faces and getting them to dance to it, yet.</p> <p>So my gripe with GQ isn't so much the photo- it's a fashion spread, they're supposed to be clothes-horses for designers, whatever. My problem is that clueless, dismissive write-up. To describe SL's problems and MIA's difficult childhood as a 'glorious complication' is such a case of <b>slumming it</b> that I've half a mind to throw a brick through Conde Naste's windows with a little message on it about "minor ironies".</p> mmm…I don’t really have an issue with her face being lighter…or the dress, really. Just sad to see her lose some of her more idiocycratic elements as she goes mainstream. It’s inevitable, and I suppose it’s better that she move to a wider arena than stay stuck in World-music ghetto. Especially since I’ve already ranted about how ‘mainstream’ music mags STILL talks about bands that were popular THIRTY FIVE years ago.

I mean, sure the Beatles were genius. The Stones were sexy. They were inspirational to so many, blah blah…but MOVE ON, you know? There’s a wider world out there, with a zillion other groups. And I’m gonna love MIA forever for shoving that world into people’s faces and getting them to dance to it, yet.

So my gripe with GQ isn’t so much the photo- it’s a fashion spread, they’re supposed to be clothes-horses for designers, whatever. My problem is that clueless, dismissive write-up. To describe SL’s problems and MIA’s difficult childhood as a ‘glorious complication’ is such a case of slumming it that I’ve half a mind to throw a brick through Conde Naste’s windows with a little message on it about “minor ironies”.

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27858 Ang Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:51:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27858 <p>Or do you guys see the GQ photo as different because of the sexy dress or the context of the magazine?</p> Or do you guys see the GQ photo as different because of the sexy dress or the context of the magazine?

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By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/09/26/cant_stereotype/comment-page-2/#comment-27857 Ang Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:49:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2286#comment-27857 <p>The photos were selected, b/c I honestly would like to see if there is something else behind them... NOT to argue. What do you think Raju? I'm honestly curious. There are alot of photos where her hands and legs are darker. Is there a reason for it?</p> The photos were selected, b/c I honestly would like to see if there is something else behind them… NOT to argue. What do you think Raju? I’m honestly curious. There are alot of photos where her hands and legs are darker. Is there a reason for it?

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