Comments on: Birth tax http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-23050 RC Wed, 31 Aug 2005 03:35:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-23050 <p>Theresa, I noted before that there exists ignorance about Govt. hospitals costing money and other such things. Coming from you who actually work in the field gives it more credence than me saying it.</p> <p>The hospital in the NYT story is one of these PRIVATE hospitals, run by individual doctors. So if they charge money to see the baby, isnt is CAPITALISM??</p> <p>This hospital is in no way obligated to provide FREE care to anyone. So why is this a bribe?? and not just "cost" of getting "better" treatment </sarcasm></p> Theresa, I noted before that there exists ignorance about Govt. hospitals costing money and other such things. Coming from you who actually work in the field gives it more credence than me saying it.

The hospital in the NYT story is one of these PRIVATE hospitals, run by individual doctors. So if they charge money to see the baby, isnt is CAPITALISM??

This hospital is in no way obligated to provide FREE care to anyone. So why is this a bribe?? and not just “cost” of getting “better” treatment

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By: theresa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-23031 theresa Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:00:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-23031 <p>i've never posted before but felt compelled.</p> <p>to whoever said this is just another "orientalist" article i must disagree...</p> <p>i work in public health in UP and am often horrified at the lack of information, or the wrong information that circulates about healthcare. beliefs that governments hospitals cost so much money (which yes, they are free, but patients must pay for all their own supplies plus often bribing attendants for actual attention from doctors), and also are victims of misinformation about common illnesses in their area, as well as the prevalence of HIV/AIDS.</p> <p>we see this and try to create new health care systems and provide information, accountability, to stop these abuses (in my work we focus on hiv+ patients). so the fact that people would be interviewed for this article? were disgusted by it enough to say something? that is progress, and commendable.</p> <p>a lot of these corrupt practices won't stop until the "common" people admit it is happening to them (and can say they have had enough). so highlighting this is not orientalist... it is another step to get people to talk, in publc.</p> <p>yes, it can serve some good because the journalist going from hospital to hospital, house to house, asking questions about this practice shed light on it, and can often be the beginning of people standing up to it. wouldn't be the first time.</p> i’ve never posted before but felt compelled.

to whoever said this is just another “orientalist” article i must disagree…

i work in public health in UP and am often horrified at the lack of information, or the wrong information that circulates about healthcare. beliefs that governments hospitals cost so much money (which yes, they are free, but patients must pay for all their own supplies plus often bribing attendants for actual attention from doctors), and also are victims of misinformation about common illnesses in their area, as well as the prevalence of HIV/AIDS.

we see this and try to create new health care systems and provide information, accountability, to stop these abuses (in my work we focus on hiv+ patients). so the fact that people would be interviewed for this article? were disgusted by it enough to say something? that is progress, and commendable.

a lot of these corrupt practices won’t stop until the “common” people admit it is happening to them (and can say they have had enough). so highlighting this is not orientalist… it is another step to get people to talk, in publc.

yes, it can serve some good because the journalist going from hospital to hospital, house to house, asking questions about this practice shed light on it, and can often be the beginning of people standing up to it. wouldn’t be the first time.

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By: Sanjit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22990 Sanjit Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:41:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22990 <p>I am not too sure of how much of a fruitful debate will the article start on what needs to be done to counter the scourge. The problem with such an article is that it is usually ignored by people who are familiar with the ground realities as just another take on a long known malaise. For the ignorant it is the story of the mother that creates momentary flutter till all is forgotten. I don't think such MSM stuff can make any difference to the society in general, not even trigger a healthy debate.</p> <p>And please this is not to get defensive about any ills in India or elsewhere. Not much is hidden in this world anyways. It is just to figure out whether this article serves any purpose at all to any section of the world. Not that it needs to.</p> I am not too sure of how much of a fruitful debate will the article start on what needs to be done to counter the scourge. The problem with such an article is that it is usually ignored by people who are familiar with the ground realities as just another take on a long known malaise. For the ignorant it is the story of the mother that creates momentary flutter till all is forgotten. I don’t think such MSM stuff can make any difference to the society in general, not even trigger a healthy debate.

And please this is not to get defensive about any ills in India or elsewhere. Not much is hidden in this world anyways. It is just to figure out whether this article serves any purpose at all to any section of the world. Not that it needs to.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22987 RC Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:03:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22987 <p>Whats the point of being defensive about societal ills of India??? - By being defensive the predator doctors are going to go away?? - Population is going to get educated? Their ignorance about their rights removed??</p> <p>No !!!! - Those who cant take criticism cant improve.</p> Whats the point of being defensive about societal ills of India??? - By being defensive the predator doctors are going to go away?? - Population is going to get educated? Their ignorance about their rights removed??

No !!!! - Those who cant take criticism cant improve.

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By: mili http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22982 mili Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:41:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22982 <p>I am so sick at tired of ORIENTALIST views of a poor, ravaged, third world India, with its barbaric societal ills. Before the economic emergence of India, these were the only kind of articles ever written in the NY Times and the Washington Post.</p> <p>Yes, India has problems; none of us are ignorant to this fact. This is just another in the centuries-long ORIENTALIST literature. Oh, they might outsource, build the bomb, be techies, have hot actresses BUT well le's just face it they're BACKWARDS.</p> <p>This article brings to mind the annual US State Department Human Rights Report on offending countries...ironic how there is NEVER one on the US itself! Lately China has been compiling a Human Rights Report on the US. A MUST READ</p> I am so sick at tired of ORIENTALIST views of a poor, ravaged, third world India, with its barbaric societal ills. Before the economic emergence of India, these were the only kind of articles ever written in the NY Times and the Washington Post.

Yes, India has problems; none of us are ignorant to this fact. This is just another in the centuries-long ORIENTALIST literature. Oh, they might outsource, build the bomb, be techies, have hot actresses BUT well le’s just face it they’re BACKWARDS.

This article brings to mind the annual US State Department Human Rights Report on offending countries…ironic how there is NEVER one on the US itself! Lately China has been compiling a Human Rights Report on the US. A MUST READ

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By: Kush Tandon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22978 Kush Tandon Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:08:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22978 <p>Celia Dugger is New Delhi bureau chief for NYT. Not a ghost wrtiter.</p> <p>http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/international/20020123begwer-audio.html</p> <p>Nothing is going to get better in India, if there is no open discussion and criticism.</p> Celia Dugger is New Delhi bureau chief for NYT. Not a ghost wrtiter.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/international/20020123begwer-audio.html

Nothing is going to get better in India, if there is no open discussion and criticism.

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By: tilo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22976 tilo Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:35:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22976 <p>Was reading my neighbor's paper in the train this morning. I was thinking Damn - I hope it is place else - not India. But it is huh? Damn!!</p> Was reading my neighbor’s paper in the train this morning. I was thinking Damn – I hope it is place else – not India. But it is huh? Damn!!

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By: plus ultra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22973 plus ultra Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:15:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22973 <p>The New York Times doesn't represent an American viewpoint anymore. I am privy to the information that the whole publication has been outsourced to an agency in Bangalore - the articles, editorial, et al. Why the ghost-writer in Bangalore should write such bilge about his own country is something that needs further investigation, however.</p> The New York Times doesn’t represent an American viewpoint anymore. I am privy to the information that the whole publication has been outsourced to an agency in Bangalore – the articles, editorial, et al. Why the ghost-writer in Bangalore should write such bilge about his own country is something that needs further investigation, however.

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By: GR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22972 GR Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:05:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22972 <p>True, bribery and corruption have been a long standing problem in our cities. But the article does offer a light at the end of the tunnel - both bureaucracy and civic minded individuals getting together to improve the situation.</p> <p>It does make for depressing reading, but I guess the first step is acknowledging the problem and then moving onto solutions with other people who share your proactivity (?)</p> True, bribery and corruption have been a long standing problem in our cities. But the article does offer a light at the end of the tunnel – both bureaucracy and civic minded individuals getting together to improve the situation.

It does make for depressing reading, but I guess the first step is acknowledging the problem and then moving onto solutions with other people who share your proactivity (?)

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/30/birth_tax/comment-page-1/#comment-22964 RC Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:06:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2124#comment-22964 <p>Shocking !!! But I think this is due to the following reasons IMO. 1) Lack of resources in the government for healthcare. You know, India has universal health care. So if a person goes to a government hospital they get FREE care for most of the part.</p> <p>2) IGNORANCE in the poor people about availability of healthcare facilities provided by the government.</p> <p>3) Even middle class/ upper middle class people (Indian) that I met in US had no idea that there is FREE care in Government hospitals.</p> <p>4) There is a perception that Government hospitals provided sub-standard care.</p> <p>My sister and Jijaji are doctors working in a government hospital. They told me once that by the time poor patients get to the government hospital they have already been to one of these private hospitals to get "better" care, but when the doctor over there realizes that this case is too complex they advise the patient to go to the CIVIL hospital. So when the Doctors at CIVIL hospital gets a chance to treat these poor patients, their situations are dire.</p> <p>4) Unscrupulous doctors running "private" clinics in poor areas are also one of the causes for the situation mentioned in NYT article.</p> Shocking !!! But I think this is due to the following reasons IMO. 1) Lack of resources in the government for healthcare. You know, India has universal health care. So if a person goes to a government hospital they get FREE care for most of the part.

2) IGNORANCE in the poor people about availability of healthcare facilities provided by the government.

3) Even middle class/ upper middle class people (Indian) that I met in US had no idea that there is FREE care in Government hospitals.

4) There is a perception that Government hospitals provided sub-standard care.

My sister and Jijaji are doctors working in a government hospital. They told me once that by the time poor patients get to the government hospital they have already been to one of these private hospitals to get “better” care, but when the doctor over there realizes that this case is too complex they advise the patient to go to the CIVIL hospital. So when the Doctors at CIVIL hospital gets a chance to treat these poor patients, their situations are dire.

4) Unscrupulous doctors running “private” clinics in poor areas are also one of the causes for the situation mentioned in NYT article.

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