Comments on: Great balls of fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-228029 Ash Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:31:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-228029 <p>""The Parsi religion is very racist. They won't allow any non-Parsis into their religion, as they are very cognizant of their lighter skin tone. I find it very hypocritical that you can only be a Parsi fi both your mom and dad were Parsis. However, the Wadias of Bombay Dying fame is not a "pure Parsi." His grandfather was an Ismaili Muslim - Mohammad Jinnay, and his g'mother was a Parsi. So why was his dad considered a Parsi, even though <em>his</em> dad was an Ismaili Muslim?</p> <p>Because Jinnah had lots of money and less melanin. The true religion is good bank account and lighter shade of brown""</p> <p>I think Mahesh of Boston is obsessed with his Browness...I am a parsi and My ggrandparents married outside the community. I think it is only people from South asia that are so obsessed with having less melanin in their skins...If you go to the villages you will see that parsis also come in various shdes of barown. Most modern Parsi's dont hold with traditional beliefs...To be fair these traditionalists are simply holding forth on the promise that was made to the local king who granted our ancestors santuary. In todays day and age what makes a Parsi a Parsi is following 3 simple truths that our whole religion is based on. Good Thoughts, Good Words Good Deeds. To be the better human being is what our religion is all about. Most people confuse relion with socio-cultural beliefs that have accumulated to become traditions. But Traditions change as the environment and time changes...So Muslims are forbidden Alcohol..but even Arabs (the so called Hardcore ones..drink somthing called madira...a fermented alcohic drink...its even talked about in the koran....Hindus dont eat beef..but look around you and count the number of timesyouve see the mahesh's of the world dig into a nice juicy steak...or Tandoori chicken.</p> <p>Skin tone is genetics...we have no control over that but a true human being strives for a pure soul which is a universal belief in all religions...So lets stop all this hogwash and focus on whats important...being a good human being.</p> “”The Parsi religion is very racist. They won’t allow any non-Parsis into their religion, as they are very cognizant of their lighter skin tone. I find it very hypocritical that you can only be a Parsi fi both your mom and dad were Parsis. However, the Wadias of Bombay Dying fame is not a “pure Parsi.” His grandfather was an Ismaili Muslim – Mohammad Jinnay, and his g’mother was a Parsi. So why was his dad considered a Parsi, even though his dad was an Ismaili Muslim?

Because Jinnah had lots of money and less melanin. The true religion is good bank account and lighter shade of brown”"

I think Mahesh of Boston is obsessed with his Browness…I am a parsi and My ggrandparents married outside the community. I think it is only people from South asia that are so obsessed with having less melanin in their skins…If you go to the villages you will see that parsis also come in various shdes of barown. Most modern Parsi’s dont hold with traditional beliefs…To be fair these traditionalists are simply holding forth on the promise that was made to the local king who granted our ancestors santuary. In todays day and age what makes a Parsi a Parsi is following 3 simple truths that our whole religion is based on. Good Thoughts, Good Words Good Deeds. To be the better human being is what our religion is all about. Most people confuse relion with socio-cultural beliefs that have accumulated to become traditions. But Traditions change as the environment and time changes…So Muslims are forbidden Alcohol..but even Arabs (the so called Hardcore ones..drink somthing called madira…a fermented alcohic drink…its even talked about in the koran….Hindus dont eat beef..but look around you and count the number of timesyouve see the mahesh’s of the world dig into a nice juicy steak…or Tandoori chicken.

Skin tone is genetics…we have no control over that but a true human being strives for a pure soul which is a universal belief in all religions…So lets stop all this hogwash and focus on whats important…being a good human being.

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By: boston_mahesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-199815 boston_mahesh Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:11:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-199815 <p>The Parsi religion is very racist. They won't allow any non-Parsis into their religion, as they are very cognizant of their lighter skin tone.<br /> I find it very hypocritical that you can only be a Parsi fi both your mom and dad were Parsis. However, the Wadias of Bombay Dying fame is not a "pure Parsi." His grandfather was an Ismaili Muslim - Mohammad Jinnay, and his g'mother was a Parsi. So why was his dad considered a Parsi, even though <em>his</em> dad was an Ismaili Muslim?</p> <p>Because Jinnah had lots of money and less melanin. The true religion is good bank account and lighter shade of brown.</p> <p><i>11 · <b><a href="http://imaginathon.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Suhail Kazi</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/002109.html#comment22556">said</a></i></p> <blockquote>I have a strong liking for the Parsi community in Bombay. They are the most cultured of the lot, and their contribution to the city has been immense. I also like the way old Parsi ladies loaded with righteous indignation facing off with rude, risque BEST bus-conductors and drivers or any other fellow who dares to take the old/ladies seat in the bus. And the way they haggle with sabziwala in the markets. They are the "qaada+kanoon" community - in a v.quirky/likeable sort of way. For starters, people might want to watch awesome <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095857/" rel="nofollow">Naseeruddin Shah in Pestonjee</a> However I do find some of their stuff intriguing. Arzan, nothing personal here, but you might be able to answer it. Why do Parsi homes smell so differently? I have been to quite a few Parsi homes in Tardeo, Byculla, Dadar(Bbay suburbs for all u guys) -- had some Parsi friends in school -- and in each and every case there is this ubiquitous dark/smelly and old-untouched feel to the entire setting. I have never smelled anything quite like that anywhere else, and can't put it in words. One more clarification, since we are on the topic. I don't know if it's apocryphal or not. Do almost all Parsis really marry within their first blood-cousins? And is that the reason their numbers are dwindling (aka fewer progenies)? Have heard this argument quite often from non-Parsis in Bbay. Surely that sounds questionable, coz I know quite a few Muslims marrying their first-cousins and fortunately/unfortunately there is no dearth of little Mohd/Mariams in their family albums. Razib, could it be just the genes/ethnicity thing or what? I do feel, that Parsi numbers dwindling down is a bad thing. And they should be actively adopting policies which advocate high procreation rates. It's sad to see amidst the clutter in Bombay, a clean expansive Parsi colony, with exactly zeros kids playing in their lush-green parks and gardens. All you can see there are old, and I mean really old(70-80+) uncles and aunties in their white attires. My $0.02 </blockquote> The Parsi religion is very racist. They won’t allow any non-Parsis into their religion, as they are very cognizant of their lighter skin tone.
I find it very hypocritical that you can only be a Parsi fi both your mom and dad were Parsis. However, the Wadias of Bombay Dying fame is not a “pure Parsi.” His grandfather was an Ismaili Muslim – Mohammad Jinnay, and his g’mother was a Parsi. So why was his dad considered a Parsi, even though his dad was an Ismaili Muslim?

Because Jinnah had lots of money and less melanin. The true religion is good bank account and lighter shade of brown.

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I have a strong liking for the Parsi community in Bombay. They are the most cultured of the lot, and their contribution to the city has been immense. I also like the way old Parsi ladies loaded with righteous indignation facing off with rude, risque BEST bus-conductors and drivers or any other fellow who dares to take the old/ladies seat in the bus. And the way they haggle with sabziwala in the markets. They are the “qaada+kanoon” community – in a v.quirky/likeable sort of way. For starters, people might want to watch awesome Naseeruddin Shah in Pestonjee However I do find some of their stuff intriguing. Arzan, nothing personal here, but you might be able to answer it. Why do Parsi homes smell so differently? I have been to quite a few Parsi homes in Tardeo, Byculla, Dadar(Bbay suburbs for all u guys) — had some Parsi friends in school — and in each and every case there is this ubiquitous dark/smelly and old-untouched feel to the entire setting. I have never smelled anything quite like that anywhere else, and can’t put it in words. One more clarification, since we are on the topic. I don’t know if it’s apocryphal or not. Do almost all Parsis really marry within their first blood-cousins? And is that the reason their numbers are dwindling (aka fewer progenies)? Have heard this argument quite often from non-Parsis in Bbay. Surely that sounds questionable, coz I know quite a few Muslims marrying their first-cousins and fortunately/unfortunately there is no dearth of little Mohd/Mariams in their family albums. Razib, could it be just the genes/ethnicity thing or what? I do feel, that Parsi numbers dwindling down is a bad thing. And they should be actively adopting policies which advocate high procreation rates. It’s sad to see amidst the clutter in Bombay, a clean expansive Parsi colony, with exactly zeros kids playing in their lush-green parks and gardens. All you can see there are old, and I mean really old(70-80+) uncles and aunties in their white attires. My $0.02
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By: Zahra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-32798 Zahra Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:48:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-32798 <p>Also- I encourage you to check out a photography book on Parsi community in India that I found really enlightening -- especially because I did not grow up there. Its by famous screenwriter Sooni Taraporevala (ala Missisippi Masala and Salaam Bombay; and the upcoming The Namesake, all w Mira Nair.)</p> <p>"PARSIS: the Zoroastrians of India - a Photographic Journey" is a pretty damn stunning coffee table book. And it seems to present a pretty diverse spectrum of Parsis (socioeconomically), debunking some of the myths talked about here. There's a beautiful section on Parsis in Gujarati villages actually. She apparently was a professional photographer before becoming a screenwriter; and never gave it up.</p> <p>She was featured on NPR late last year, and a bunch of other places; a bunch of different papers (Orange County Register) picked up a great story from the NYTimes wire service too. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4223182</p> <p>I really learned a lot -- especially about these woman-centered water festivals for which Parsis gather at waterfront areas and pray- the photos were really beautiful.</p> Also- I encourage you to check out a photography book on Parsi community in India that I found really enlightening — especially because I did not grow up there. Its by famous screenwriter Sooni Taraporevala (ala Missisippi Masala and Salaam Bombay; and the upcoming The Namesake, all w Mira Nair.)

“PARSIS: the Zoroastrians of India – a Photographic Journey” is a pretty damn stunning coffee table book. And it seems to present a pretty diverse spectrum of Parsis (socioeconomically), debunking some of the myths talked about here. There’s a beautiful section on Parsis in Gujarati villages actually. She apparently was a professional photographer before becoming a screenwriter; and never gave it up.

She was featured on NPR late last year, and a bunch of other places; a bunch of different papers (Orange County Register) picked up a great story from the NYTimes wire service too. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4223182

I really learned a lot — especially about these woman-centered water festivals for which Parsis gather at waterfront areas and pray- the photos were really beautiful.

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By: Zahra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-32795 Zahra Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:40:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-32795 <p>Very interesting commentary. For some reason, most of you posters seem to be referring to Parsis over in India and Pakistan; and not about Parsis here in the US/diaspora. Its a really different reality and conversations, for Parsis (whose parents may be from India, Pakistan, but also Singapore, Kenya, Uganda, or elsewhere). Many young urban Parsis have grown up with clear perception of the role that educated upper-class Parsis have played in Indian colonial history, and are trying to offer a more balanced perspective. Yes there are many Parsis, especially over in South Asia, or older generation people here who are more educated, who have been taught that they are somehow different or better than other South Asians (or worse, that they are lighter skinned). But most young Parsis I know do not think that way. Many both support marrying other Parsis or other Zorostrians, but recognize the prejudiced or even racist assumptions that other Parsis base their desire to "preserve" the ethnic aspect of the community.</p> <p>Interestingly, most Iranian American Zoroastrians (you know that there are 2 main kinds of Zoroasttrians in the diapora- Parsis and Iranians- right?) I've encountered have no problem with conversion of kids or spouse of a Zoroastrian. However, back in Iran, they were prevented from marrying non-Zoroastrians not by convention but by law. Even now, marriage to a non-Muslim is not legal or at best subject to all sorts of legal hurdles, and the Zoroastrian spouse must legally become Muslim.</p> Very interesting commentary. For some reason, most of you posters seem to be referring to Parsis over in India and Pakistan; and not about Parsis here in the US/diaspora. Its a really different reality and conversations, for Parsis (whose parents may be from India, Pakistan, but also Singapore, Kenya, Uganda, or elsewhere). Many young urban Parsis have grown up with clear perception of the role that educated upper-class Parsis have played in Indian colonial history, and are trying to offer a more balanced perspective. Yes there are many Parsis, especially over in South Asia, or older generation people here who are more educated, who have been taught that they are somehow different or better than other South Asians (or worse, that they are lighter skinned). But most young Parsis I know do not think that way. Many both support marrying other Parsis or other Zorostrians, but recognize the prejudiced or even racist assumptions that other Parsis base their desire to “preserve” the ethnic aspect of the community.

Interestingly, most Iranian American Zoroastrians (you know that there are 2 main kinds of Zoroasttrians in the diapora- Parsis and Iranians- right?) I’ve encountered have no problem with conversion of kids or spouse of a Zoroastrian. However, back in Iran, they were prevented from marrying non-Zoroastrians not by convention but by law. Even now, marriage to a non-Muslim is not legal or at best subject to all sorts of legal hurdles, and the Zoroastrian spouse must legally become Muslim.

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By: irani p http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-25008 irani p Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:30:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-25008 <p>Hi A lot of talk but no action. Parsis tend to reminsce about their great lineage and the impact of their existance on modern India. But when we look into the present or the future we have nothing. The light that the great Zoroastrians carried a 1000 years ago, now is begining to dim. Rather than stand on ones good thoughts, good words and good deeds many modern Zoroastrians stand on a birth right. We as a commnity decide that Auhra Mazdi is exclusive to only the pure Parsis and none others. What a great social club to be born into. PEACE Porus Check out www.bandra-mumbai.com</p> Hi A lot of talk but no action. Parsis tend to reminsce about their great lineage and the impact of their existance on modern India. But when we look into the present or the future we have nothing. The light that the great Zoroastrians carried a 1000 years ago, now is begining to dim. Rather than stand on ones good thoughts, good words and good deeds many modern Zoroastrians stand on a birth right. We as a commnity decide that Auhra Mazdi is exclusive to only the pure Parsis and none others. What a great social club to be born into. PEACE Porus Check out http://www.bandra-mumbai.com

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By: Avi Solomon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-23415 Avi Solomon Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:32:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-23415 <p>I grew up(an Indian Jew) in Dadar next to a fire temple. Our neighbours were Parsis. Have nothing but the best regard for this noble community. See the following for insider portrayals: http://www.garretwilson.com/books/firozsha.html http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239795/</p> I grew up(an Indian Jew) in Dadar next to a fire temple. Our neighbours were Parsis. Have nothing but the best regard for this noble community. See the following for insider portrayals: http://www.garretwilson.com/books/firozsha.html http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0239795/

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By: Suhail Kazi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-22940 Suhail Kazi Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:05:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-22940 <p>Thanks Arzan for the clarification and razib for the link-gyaan.</p> Thanks Arzan for the clarification and razib for the link-gyaan.

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By: rocknrepublic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-22678 rocknrepublic Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:28:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-22678 <p>oh yeh.. watch out for this new movie based on parsis coming out soon called CYRUS by maiden director homi adajania... starting saif ali khan, dimple kapadia and naserudin shah..</p> oh yeh.. watch out for this new movie based on parsis coming out soon called CYRUS by maiden director homi adajania… starting saif ali khan, dimple kapadia and naserudin shah..

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By: rocknrepublic http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-22677 rocknrepublic Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:27:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-22677 <p>parsis are the sweeetest ppl!!</p> parsis are the sweeetest ppl!!

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/08/26/great_balls_of/comment-page-1/#comment-22620 Saheli Sat, 27 Aug 2005 04:28:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=2109#comment-22620 <p>That milk and sugar story is in <i>Earth:1947</i>, and presumably also in the orignal Novel, Bhapsi Siddhwa's <i>Cracking India.</i></p> That milk and sugar story is in Earth:1947, and presumably also in the orignal Novel, Bhapsi Siddhwa’s Cracking India.

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