Comments on: Shazia Deen / Dancing Queen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ang http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-27514 Ang Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:45:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-27514 <blockquote>The postracial premise is interesting, IÂ’ve lived it, meeting someone attractive who unexpectedly turns out to be desiÂ… itÂ’s the unfolding of hidden wingsÂ… Even funnier is when someone you meet seems fairly whitewashed, then, months later in the right context, totally busts out with a tender oldie from, say, Umrao Jaan, with flawless pronunciation and full-bore eyelash flutter. ItÂ’s a hell of a bender. [Link]</blockquote> <p>My older sister is "half" desi. On the artificial construct and slippery slope of race, you would never know it. In fact, compared to my sister, the ladies featured in the article look alot more desi; in other words I'm surprised that they're only "part" desi and would never even guess that they weren't even "whole" (hair colour, eye colour etc. are more comparable to me - a "whole" desi).</p> <p>Anyways, that's besides the point. What I really wanted to contribute is the impact of our appearance/perceived race on our lives. My sister, being half-desi, had light brown hair and green eyes and pale skin, with the features of our father. At indian functions/parties, people were both implicitly and explicitly rude to my sister. I noticed it, too, and it made me feel uncomfortable and angry. They would stare, and even come up and ask why we had a white girl in our family, and then gossip amongst each other. Very ugy. Sometimes they would even speak in hindi /punjabi in front of her, not thinking the "white" girl would understand (she did). Some of the men made idiotic assumptions about her being promiscuous. It was such bullshit. On the other hand, if she took me to the playground with her, her friends would ask her why her sister wasn't white - the tables turned.</p> <p>While I have a story or two about racism I've experienced by society at large, within our extended family and community, my sister suffered from excessive scrutiny, stereotyping and judgement. Ugh. The memories are depressing me... Please don't tell me about how I as a visible minority have it arguably worse in the real world and in the long run. I am well aware of that; I'm just pointing out it hurts me that during her formative years she was treated as an outcast.</p> The postracial premise is interesting, IÂ’ve lived it, meeting someone attractive who unexpectedly turns out to be desiÂ… itÂ’s the unfolding of hidden wingsÂ… Even funnier is when someone you meet seems fairly whitewashed, then, months later in the right context, totally busts out with a tender oldie from, say, Umrao Jaan, with flawless pronunciation and full-bore eyelash flutter. ItÂ’s a hell of a bender. [Link]

My older sister is “half” desi. On the artificial construct and slippery slope of race, you would never know it. In fact, compared to my sister, the ladies featured in the article look alot more desi; in other words I’m surprised that they’re only “part” desi and would never even guess that they weren’t even “whole” (hair colour, eye colour etc. are more comparable to me – a “whole” desi).

Anyways, that’s besides the point. What I really wanted to contribute is the impact of our appearance/perceived race on our lives. My sister, being half-desi, had light brown hair and green eyes and pale skin, with the features of our father. At indian functions/parties, people were both implicitly and explicitly rude to my sister. I noticed it, too, and it made me feel uncomfortable and angry. They would stare, and even come up and ask why we had a white girl in our family, and then gossip amongst each other. Very ugy. Sometimes they would even speak in hindi /punjabi in front of her, not thinking the “white” girl would understand (she did). Some of the men made idiotic assumptions about her being promiscuous. It was such bullshit. On the other hand, if she took me to the playground with her, her friends would ask her why her sister wasn’t white – the tables turned.

While I have a story or two about racism I’ve experienced by society at large, within our extended family and community, my sister suffered from excessive scrutiny, stereotyping and judgement. Ugh. The memories are depressing me… Please don’t tell me about how I as a visible minority have it arguably worse in the real world and in the long run. I am well aware of that; I’m just pointing out it hurts me that during her formative years she was treated as an outcast.

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By: Anjali http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-27460 Anjali Mon, 26 Sep 2005 05:54:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-27460 <p>This is to Manoj about his comment about Shazia Deen and Ayurveda. i believe waht she went to school for is clinical Ayurvedic medicine and not "massage". I highly doubt she is massaging anybody!! I also went to school for this and it is more lifestyle counseling and herbs. She probably just went for self growth and is persuing Acting, As she should be... Anj</p> This is to Manoj about his comment about Shazia Deen and Ayurveda. i believe waht she went to school for is clinical Ayurvedic medicine and not “massage”. I highly doubt she is massaging anybody!! I also went to school for this and it is more lifestyle counseling and herbs. She probably just went for self growth and is persuing Acting, As she should be… Anj

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By: vurdlife http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18460 vurdlife Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:43:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18460 <blockquote>"attractive who unexpectedly turns out to be desi" Did you know that Queen solist Freddy Mercurry was a desi? cool huh?! I love his songs.</blockquote> <p>It is only very recently that I realized the chorus yells "Bismillah!" in Bohemian Rhapsody. If only I had this knowledge over 10 years ago when Wayne's World came out!! I would have been The Man in junior high....*sigh</p> <p>um, I mean, <b>even more </b>of The Man. yeah thats it.</p> “attractive who unexpectedly turns out to be desi” Did you know that Queen solist Freddy Mercurry was a desi? cool huh?! I love his songs.

It is only very recently that I realized the chorus yells “Bismillah!” in Bohemian Rhapsody. If only I had this knowledge over 10 years ago when Wayne’s World came out!! I would have been The Man in junior high….*sigh

um, I mean, even more of The Man. yeah thats it.

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By: Bong Breaker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18416 Bong Breaker Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:05:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18416 <p>That's why I said I think she's a scandal-monger; a controversy-courter. I completely agree that her films are shite. What I meant by thinking outside the box is that she's making headlines. With bad films no doubt, but I like people who rock the boat, even if it's by going for the lowest common denominator. Imagine if controversial films started coming out all over India, SOME would be good and it would be a revelation. It would give birth to new genres of Indian cinema. I WANT more controversial Indian movies. The films of Mehta that I have seen, I have disliked. But she gets points for attempting a new topic. And working on the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles!</p> That’s why I said I think she’s a scandal-monger; a controversy-courter. I completely agree that her films are shite. What I meant by thinking outside the box is that she’s making headlines. With bad films no doubt, but I like people who rock the boat, even if it’s by going for the lowest common denominator. Imagine if controversial films started coming out all over India, SOME would be good and it would be a revelation. It would give birth to new genres of Indian cinema. I WANT more controversial Indian movies. The films of Mehta that I have seen, I have disliked. But she gets points for attempting a new topic. And working on the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles!

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By: SMR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18394 SMR Tue, 02 Aug 2005 19:20:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18394 <p>She <i>isn't</i> thinking outside the box; her movies are <i>entirely</i> typical, smug liberal critiques. Fire made me so mad I wanted to throw a molotov cocktail at someone myself. I lie in fear of the garbage she's going to churn out with Water...no doubt she will be pointlessly applauded for her "courage" though she presents critiques all too familiar to her chosen audiences already (now if only VHP types will learn to shut the hell up and stop giving her free publicity). Fire. Earth. Water. I mean, her conceit is remarkable.</p> She isn’t thinking outside the box; her movies are entirely typical, smug liberal critiques. Fire made me so mad I wanted to throw a molotov cocktail at someone myself. I lie in fear of the garbage she’s going to churn out with Water…no doubt she will be pointlessly applauded for her “courage” though she presents critiques all too familiar to her chosen audiences already (now if only VHP types will learn to shut the hell up and stop giving her free publicity). Fire. Earth. Water. I mean, her conceit is remarkable.

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By: Bela http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18390 Bela Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:57:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18390 <p>"attractive who unexpectedly turns out to be desi"</p> <p>Did you know that Queen solist Freddy Mercurry was a desi? cool huh?! I love his songs.</p> “attractive who unexpectedly turns out to be desi”

Did you know that Queen solist Freddy Mercurry was a desi? cool huh?! I love his songs.

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By: Bong Breaker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18381 Bong Breaker Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:28:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18381 <p>I think it's the latter. But I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. At least she's 'thinking outside the box'.</p> I think it’s the latter. But I’m willing to be convinced otherwise. At least she’s ‘thinking outside the box’.

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By: DesiDancer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18378 DesiDancer Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:14:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18378 <p>the fact that Earth and Fire were banned both in India and Pakistan, and riots have followed the filming of Water suggests that maybe this woman has something deeply though-provoking to say and the extreme conservatives are uncomfortable with her challenging the status-quo...</p> <p>Or she could be a scandal monger. I prefer the former.</p> the fact that Earth and Fire were banned both in India and Pakistan, and riots have followed the filming of Water suggests that maybe this woman has something deeply though-provoking to say and the extreme conservatives are uncomfortable with her challenging the status-quo…

Or she could be a scandal monger. I prefer the former.

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By: DesiDancer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18376 DesiDancer Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:11:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18376 <p>Rahul Khanna is better known for his role in Deepa Mehta's elements trilogy, "<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0150433/">Earth</a>", alongside Aamir Khan.</p> <p>Personally, I don't think Deepa Mehta is a hack at all. B/H was a light tromp that made fun of the tedious identity-crisis films of the time. Maybe she just wanted to make something light and fun, instead of fighting off attacks and protesters, as she has in the makings of all 3 movies, "Earth", "Fire" and the recently finished "Water".</p> <p>All of Mehta's movies have dealt with typically off limits topics, or topics that people feel so passionately for or against, that extreme reactions almost accompany Mehta in any endeavour. Perhaps tired of all the tamaasha, she just decided to try her hand at a light comedy... It wasn't brilliant, that's true. But I found it enjoyable, and frankly I think we all know an individual or 2 that resembles a character in the movie. For that alone it was good laughs. Plus Ranjit Choudhury in drag is worth the cost of the DVD alone. The dance sequences totally sucked, but the soundtrack is hot upbeat stuff. (if you can stomach a few too many Sonu Nigam tracks)</p> <p>All 3 movies of the elements trilogy are very emotionally dense, well acted, and thought provoking. They are movies that stay with you long after the film is over; movies that challenge your own views on society, your role in it, and what blinders we all wear in interacting with each other. In fact, perhaps "Earth" should be assigned to anyone wishing to comment on the "South Asian vs. cut out the muslims" debate... (granted, I haven't seen Water, as it has not been released yet, but all the preliminary PR and information suggests it will be better than Earth)</p> Rahul Khanna is better known for his role in Deepa Mehta’s elements trilogy, “Earth“, alongside Aamir Khan.

Personally, I don’t think Deepa Mehta is a hack at all. B/H was a light tromp that made fun of the tedious identity-crisis films of the time. Maybe she just wanted to make something light and fun, instead of fighting off attacks and protesters, as she has in the makings of all 3 movies, “Earth”, “Fire” and the recently finished “Water”.

All of Mehta’s movies have dealt with typically off limits topics, or topics that people feel so passionately for or against, that extreme reactions almost accompany Mehta in any endeavour. Perhaps tired of all the tamaasha, she just decided to try her hand at a light comedy… It wasn’t brilliant, that’s true. But I found it enjoyable, and frankly I think we all know an individual or 2 that resembles a character in the movie. For that alone it was good laughs. Plus Ranjit Choudhury in drag is worth the cost of the DVD alone. The dance sequences totally sucked, but the soundtrack is hot upbeat stuff. (if you can stomach a few too many Sonu Nigam tracks)

All 3 movies of the elements trilogy are very emotionally dense, well acted, and thought provoking. They are movies that stay with you long after the film is over; movies that challenge your own views on society, your role in it, and what blinders we all wear in interacting with each other. In fact, perhaps “Earth” should be assigned to anyone wishing to comment on the “South Asian vs. cut out the muslims” debate… (granted, I haven’t seen Water, as it has not been released yet, but all the preliminary PR and information suggests it will be better than Earth)

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By: Amba http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/30/shazia_deen_dan/comment-page-1/#comment-18354 Amba Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:12:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1923#comment-18354 <p>Deepa Mehta is a tedious hack, and she hasn't made a film worth watching to date. Rahul Khanna is very pretty though.</p> Deepa Mehta is a tedious hack, and she hasn’t made a film worth watching to date. Rahul Khanna is very pretty though.

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