Comments on: 8 Things About Bollywood You May Not Know http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Hiresh Hurdi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-88451 Hiresh Hurdi Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:33:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-88451 <p>I would like to express my sheer disappointment with Bollywood as a whole. All they recently seem to do are adaptations, however vague they may be,of Western films. The plots seem to go on forever and for me, loose the audience completely. The once infectious and creative music is now just a nuisence. Even, actresses are dressing less and resemble those scantlily clad ho's on MTV! The language has, unlike most other foreign films, disinteregrated into semi English, "kitchen Hindi". And the worst is the stars are becoming more self conscious & fake.</p> <p>Such a pity that a country with so much to offer spiritually & creatively has to resort to this empty, insipid and quantitative form of entertainment to put our country on the map or as they call it reach a wider audience.</p> I would like to express my sheer disappointment with Bollywood as a whole. All they recently seem to do are adaptations, however vague they may be,of Western films. The plots seem to go on forever and for me, loose the audience completely. The once infectious and creative music is now just a nuisence. Even, actresses are dressing less and resemble those scantlily clad ho’s on MTV! The language has, unlike most other foreign films, disinteregrated into semi English, “kitchen Hindi”. And the worst is the stars are becoming more self conscious & fake.

Such a pity that a country with so much to offer spiritually & creatively has to resort to this empty, insipid and quantitative form of entertainment to put our country on the map or as they call it reach a wider audience.

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By: exsorcist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-18174 exsorcist Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:49:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-18174 <ol> <li><p>Two brothers separated in childhood will always grow up on different sides of the law. The law-breaker, however, will suddenly turn over a new leaf before the end, bash up the villain (who is the <em>real</em> bad guy), and be pardoned for all his sins before the last-scene family reunion. (This is possible only if he has a heroine - see rule 2 below).</p></li> <li><p>If the number of heroes is not equal to the number of heroines, the excess heroes/heroines will a) die b) join the Red Cross and take off to Switzerland before the end of the movie.</p></li> <li><p>If there are 2 heroes in a movie, they will fight each other savagely for at least 5 minutes (10 if they are brothers).</p></li> <li><p>Any court scene will have the dialogue "Objection milord". If it is said by the hero, or his lawyer, it will be overruled. Else, it will be sustained.</p></li> <li><p>The hero's sister will usually marry the hero's best friend (i.e. the second hero). Else, she will be raped by the villain within the 1st 30 minutes, and commit suicide.</p></li> <li><p>In a chase, the hero will always overtake the villain, even on a bullock-cart, or on foot.</p></li> </ol> <p>7.When the hero fires at the villain(s), he will never a) miss b) run out of bullets. When the villain fires at the hero, he will always miss (unless the hero is required to die, as in rule 2).</p> <ol> <li><p>Any fight sequence shall take place in the vicinity of a stack of a) pots b) barrels c) glass bottles, which will be smashed to pieces.</p></li> <li><p>Any movie involving lost and found brothers will have a song sung by a) the brothers b) their blind mother (but of course, she has to be blind in order to regain her sight in the climax) c) the family dog/cat.</p></li> <li><p>Police inspectors (when not played by the hero) come in two categories: a) Scrupulously honest, probably the hero's father - killedby the villain before the titles.</p></li> </ol> <p>b) Honest, but always chasing the anti-hero (as in Rule 1), saying "Tum kanoon se bach nahin sakte", only to pat him in the back in reel 23. Usually, this inspector's daughter is in love with the anti-hero.</p> <p>c) The corrupt inspector, (usually the real villain's sidekick) unceremoniously knocked about by the hero(s) in the climax.</p>
  • Two brothers separated in childhood will always grow up on different sides of the law. The law-breaker, however, will suddenly turn over a new leaf before the end, bash up the villain (who is the real bad guy), and be pardoned for all his sins before the last-scene family reunion. (This is possible only if he has a heroine – see rule 2 below).

  • If the number of heroes is not equal to the number of heroines, the excess heroes/heroines will a) die b) join the Red Cross and take off to Switzerland before the end of the movie.

  • If there are 2 heroes in a movie, they will fight each other savagely for at least 5 minutes (10 if they are brothers).

  • Any court scene will have the dialogue “Objection milord”. If it is said by the hero, or his lawyer, it will be overruled. Else, it will be sustained.

  • The hero’s sister will usually marry the hero’s best friend (i.e. the second hero). Else, she will be raped by the villain within the 1st 30 minutes, and commit suicide.

  • In a chase, the hero will always overtake the villain, even on a bullock-cart, or on foot.

  • 7.When the hero fires at the villain(s), he will never a) miss b) run out of bullets. When the villain fires at the hero, he will always miss (unless the hero is required to die, as in rule 2).

    1. Any fight sequence shall take place in the vicinity of a stack of a) pots b) barrels c) glass bottles, which will be smashed to pieces.

    2. Any movie involving lost and found brothers will have a song sung by a) the brothers b) their blind mother (but of course, she has to be blind in order to regain her sight in the climax) c) the family dog/cat.

    3. Police inspectors (when not played by the hero) come in two categories: a) Scrupulously honest, probably the hero’s father – killedby the villain before the titles.

    b) Honest, but always chasing the anti-hero (as in Rule 1), saying “Tum kanoon se bach nahin sakte”, only to pat him in the back in reel 23. Usually, this inspector’s daughter is in love with the anti-hero.

    c) The corrupt inspector, (usually the real villain’s sidekick) unceremoniously knocked about by the hero(s) in the climax.

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    By: tilo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17907 tilo Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:25:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17907 <p>Financing. Bollywood movies are produced and financed in a completely chaotic way.</p> <hr /> <p>Yes - banks are not supposed to finance them, by policy.</p> <p>I suppose that's where the gangsters come into the scene in Bombay and sharks in the south.</p> <p>GV - Director Maniratnam's brother killed himself 2 years ago after a couple of flops. Interesting that he was a Chartered accountant and knew more than enough people to bail him out...</p> Financing. Bollywood movies are produced and financed in a completely chaotic way.


    Yes – banks are not supposed to finance them, by policy.

    I suppose that’s where the gangsters come into the scene in Bombay and sharks in the south.

    GV – Director Maniratnam’s brother killed himself 2 years ago after a couple of flops. Interesting that he was a Chartered accountant and knew more than enough people to bail him out…

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    By: Nanda Kishore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17906 Nanda Kishore Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:12:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17906 <p>'Silsila...is not a very good film'...a somewhat ridiculous thing to say (sorry)! What makes one anyway?</p> <p>Btw, to repeat what I said on another blog...I'm surprised no one mentions films made by Hrishikesh Mukherjee (the real desis, I mean!). One hardly finds movies that revolve around middle-class lives these days. Also check out some of the movies made by Gulzaar (except Parichay), Basu Chatterji et al.</p> ‘Silsila…is not a very good film’…a somewhat ridiculous thing to say (sorry)! What makes one anyway?

    Btw, to repeat what I said on another blog…I’m surprised no one mentions films made by Hrishikesh Mukherjee (the real desis, I mean!). One hardly finds movies that revolve around middle-class lives these days. Also check out some of the movies made by Gulzaar (except Parichay), Basu Chatterji et al.

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    By: White Trash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17881 White Trash Thu, 28 Jul 2005 03:13:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17881 <p>Well, I thought the acting in Black was good, even by Amitabh, and I'm real critical of Indian actors.</p> <p>Devadas on the other hand I thought to be extremely boring. SRK is a bad actor (fake crying et al) and Aiswarya needs to just stay with the cat walk.</p> <p>It takes more than beautiful costumes and exotic scenery to make a good movie.</p> <p>For all of those who still like their heroines pleasantly plump (in all the right places), contact me.</p> Well, I thought the acting in Black was good, even by Amitabh, and I’m real critical of Indian actors.

    Devadas on the other hand I thought to be extremely boring. SRK is a bad actor (fake crying et al) and Aiswarya needs to just stay with the cat walk.

    It takes more than beautiful costumes and exotic scenery to make a good movie.

    For all of those who still like their heroines pleasantly plump (in all the right places), contact me.

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    By: anangbhai http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17870 anangbhai Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:56:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17870 <p>I don't think it should be centralized, but room should be made for independent labels instead of a closed system run by gangsters and horny producers. This would mean lobbying the distributors or creating successes like Bend it like Beckham or Monsoon Wedding (i'm not vouching for the films but their marketing and distribution approach). I think the Indian audience is ripe for change, but its certainly not going to happen from within the system. Look at Ramu and tell me he isn't just another producer now trying to make films. yeah, I'm not kidding about govinda. I don't know jack about dance choreography, but I know a good dancer when i see one (and WE ARE talking about bollywood actors who dance right?) Misrepresentation in the diaspora? How about misrepresentation in all of indian mainstream media. sikhs are idiots, gujaratis are worse than jews and bongs are intellectual a-holes etc. etc. the only community given overexposure is the punjabi community (non-turban wearing punjabis) which according to my research is due to artists from lahore migrating to bombay after partition. What's ironic is that I saw a play a few days ago which dealt with social issues in india but seemed to have based its views on india and the diaspora solely on their portrayal in the media and in female magazines (sarita, femina etc.). the father was an overbearing misogynistic lout and the mother was the quiet type who took her beatings like a wo(man) and the children who pontificated at length about arranged marriages and their sense of confusion and loss of identity and it went on and on. Women may not be at the forefront when it comes to the image of the indian family, but I've never seen any 'docile' females in my commoonity. Wives can be likened to XO's on a ship, the captain owns the ship, but its the XO who runs everything. Can we get over the identity crisis already? We get it, you're confused. Move the F on. Lastly, anyone ever notice Gabbar dressed like Castro? Subtle hint...I think not. His beard was certainly inspired by castro, or it could've been the villain from A few dollars more. meh.</p> I don’t think it should be centralized, but room should be made for independent labels instead of a closed system run by gangsters and horny producers. This would mean lobbying the distributors or creating successes like Bend it like Beckham or Monsoon Wedding (i’m not vouching for the films but their marketing and distribution approach). I think the Indian audience is ripe for change, but its certainly not going to happen from within the system. Look at Ramu and tell me he isn’t just another producer now trying to make films. yeah, I’m not kidding about govinda. I don’t know jack about dance choreography, but I know a good dancer when i see one (and WE ARE talking about bollywood actors who dance right?) Misrepresentation in the diaspora? How about misrepresentation in all of indian mainstream media. sikhs are idiots, gujaratis are worse than jews and bongs are intellectual a-holes etc. etc. the only community given overexposure is the punjabi community (non-turban wearing punjabis) which according to my research is due to artists from lahore migrating to bombay after partition. What’s ironic is that I saw a play a few days ago which dealt with social issues in india but seemed to have based its views on india and the diaspora solely on their portrayal in the media and in female magazines (sarita, femina etc.). the father was an overbearing misogynistic lout and the mother was the quiet type who took her beatings like a wo(man) and the children who pontificated at length about arranged marriages and their sense of confusion and loss of identity and it went on and on. Women may not be at the forefront when it comes to the image of the indian family, but I’ve never seen any ‘docile’ females in my commoonity. Wives can be likened to XO’s on a ship, the captain owns the ship, but its the XO who runs everything. Can we get over the identity crisis already? We get it, you’re confused. Move the F on. Lastly, anyone ever notice Gabbar dressed like Castro? Subtle hint…I think not. His beard was certainly inspired by castro, or it could’ve been the villain from A few dollars more. meh.

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    By: ised http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17865 ised Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:39:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17865 <p>Why should the bollywood industry be centralized ? Would it improve the quality of the movies ?</p> Why should the bollywood industry be centralized ? Would it improve the quality of the movies ?

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    By: expatblorean http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17860 expatblorean Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:03:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17860 <blockquote>Even Rajinikant used his own voice for his Hindi movies, again a fact made obvious by the accent.</blockquote> <p>Interesting thing is that apparently Rajanikant is NOT a South Indian. He is from Mahrashtra and his real name is Sivajirao Gaekwad. Hard to believe that when we hear him in Hindi movies..... he speaks with much more of a Tamil accent than Kamalhaasan.</p> <p>ANd yeah, I'll probably get killed for saying this, but I think Amithabh hams way way too much. He's a great star, but only a just-above-average actor. Of course, in Hindi cinema, anything other than hamming is "great acting". These days even the National Film awards seem to subscribe to this philosophy - eg: Raveena's award, or Devgan's. Or take a look at this years best actor: Saif Ali Khan in "Hum Tum". Lots of you would have watched it. Think about it - should we honestly think there were no better lead performances in the "800-1000 films" of last year?</p> <p>Of course, I grew up watching Mohanlal, Mammootty and KamalaHaasan at their best, so I AM smug. But seriously, I am horrfied at the difference of what is considered "good acting" in Hindi and, say, Kerala.</p> Even Rajinikant used his own voice for his Hindi movies, again a fact made obvious by the accent.

    Interesting thing is that apparently Rajanikant is NOT a South Indian. He is from Mahrashtra and his real name is Sivajirao Gaekwad. Hard to believe that when we hear him in Hindi movies….. he speaks with much more of a Tamil accent than Kamalhaasan.

    ANd yeah, I’ll probably get killed for saying this, but I think Amithabh hams way way too much. He’s a great star, but only a just-above-average actor. Of course, in Hindi cinema, anything other than hamming is “great acting”. These days even the National Film awards seem to subscribe to this philosophy – eg: Raveena’s award, or Devgan’s. Or take a look at this years best actor: Saif Ali Khan in “Hum Tum”. Lots of you would have watched it. Think about it – should we honestly think there were no better lead performances in the “800-1000 films” of last year?

    Of course, I grew up watching Mohanlal, Mammootty and KamalaHaasan at their best, so I AM smug. But seriously, I am horrfied at the difference of what is considered “good acting” in Hindi and, say, Kerala.

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    By: DesiDancer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17835 DesiDancer Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:00:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17835 <blockquote>Don't know why people hate govinda. His new movies aren't good but he's still the best dancer around </blockquote> <p><em>blink</em> you're kidding, right?</p> Don’t know why people hate govinda. His new movies aren’t good but he’s still the best dancer around

    blink you’re kidding, right?

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    By: Rani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/27/8_things_about_1/comment-page-1/#comment-17833 Rani Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:58:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1907#comment-17833 <p>OT...</p> <p>Amardeep, does this book (or any other you know of) address the (mis)representation(s) of Indian-Americans/members of the Indian diaspora in mainstream Bollywood film, i.e. Kal Ho Na Ho, Aa Ab Laut Chale? That would be an interesting conversation.</p> OT…

    Amardeep, does this book (or any other you know of) address the (mis)representation(s) of Indian-Americans/members of the Indian diaspora in mainstream Bollywood film, i.e. Kal Ho Na Ho, Aa Ab Laut Chale? That would be an interesting conversation.

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