Comments on: Kumbhakarna awakes http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: BELA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/comment-page-1/#comment-17736 BELA Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:34:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1896#comment-17736 <p>I am gonna agree with my friend. I don't think low incarceration rate means India has fewer criminals.</p> <p>here is what he sent me in reply to me mailing this post to his:</p> <p>Yes, it reminded me of that too...[Veer and Zara] Perhaps that is one of India's problems: all the criminals outside jails. I am not saying that people should be put in jail, but I am just a bit sceptical that the low incarceration rate means nobody guilty enough to be put to jail. Just remember gang rapes, looting, etc. after the tsunami... A natural disaster can summon a lot of animalistic emotions in humans, but still it is no reason to kill and rape unprotected women and children...</p> I am gonna agree with my friend. I don’t think low incarceration rate means India has fewer criminals.

here is what he sent me in reply to me mailing this post to his:

Yes, it reminded me of that too…[Veer and Zara] Perhaps that is one of India’s problems: all the criminals outside jails. I am not saying that people should be put in jail, but I am just a bit sceptical that the low incarceration rate means nobody guilty enough to be put to jail. Just remember gang rapes, looting, etc. after the tsunami… A natural disaster can summon a lot of animalistic emotions in humans, but still it is no reason to kill and rape unprotected women and children…

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By: sv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/comment-page-1/#comment-17607 sv Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:44:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1896#comment-17607 <p>golf clubs</p> golf clubs

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By: sv http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/comment-page-1/#comment-17605 sv Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:42:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1896#comment-17605 <p>India has one of the lowest incarceration rates and the USA, of course, has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Link below: href="http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/world.htm"</p> <p>It's 29 per 100000 for india and 715 per 100000 for usa.<br /> It's clear from the statistics that both the countries have abominable criminal justice systems.</p> <p>India: you are innocent even after you are proven guilty. so criminals roam free.</p> <p>USA: You are guilty even after proving you are innocent as is the case with many africian american and increasingly hispanic defendents. or get locked up for 80 years for some flimsy criminal acts like stealing turkey or gold clubs.</p> <p>Which one is more abominable?</p> <p>I believe that it's better for 100 criminals to roam free than locking up 100 innocents.</p> <p>Molly Ivins wrote an excellent column: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-26.htm</p> India has one of the lowest incarceration rates and the USA, of course, has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Link below: href=”http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/world.htm”

It’s 29 per 100000 for india and 715 per 100000 for usa.
It’s clear from the statistics that both the countries have abominable criminal justice systems.

India: you are innocent even after you are proven guilty. so criminals roam free.

USA: You are guilty even after proving you are innocent as is the case with many africian american and increasingly hispanic defendents. or get locked up for 80 years for some flimsy criminal acts like stealing turkey or gold clubs.

Which one is more abominable?

I believe that it’s better for 100 criminals to roam free than locking up 100 innocents.

Molly Ivins wrote an excellent column: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0620-26.htm

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/comment-page-1/#comment-17448 Saheli Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:39:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1896#comment-17448 <p>Look, I'm not defending the Indian system in this case--that's just terrible no matter how you slice it. But it's had an immense amount of socio-political and bureacratic upheavel to deal with during the relevant times and places, and a lack of resources. We've had <a href="http://xatrix.org/print666.html">similar problems (fixed faster) with no such excuses.</a> I've heard of several similar cases.</p> <p>We should recognize these things for what they are, neither more nor less.</p> Look, I’m not defending the Indian system in this case–that’s just terrible no matter how you slice it. But it’s had an immense amount of socio-political and bureacratic upheavel to deal with during the relevant times and places, and a lack of resources. We’ve had similar problems (fixed faster) with no such excuses. I’ve heard of several similar cases.

We should recognize these things for what they are, neither more nor less.

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By: Bong Breaker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/comment-page-1/#comment-17445 Bong Breaker Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:27:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1896#comment-17445 <blockquote>incidents like this can happen only in india</blockquote> <p>Err...what are you basing that on? Ever heard of China? Thousands of people go 'missing' each year. At least this guy was alive. Hell, what about half of Asia, most of Africa and parts of South America? I hardly think India is alone in this.</p> <p>BUT what I will criticise is what I assume happened here - how Indian families completely disown someone with a mental health problem. That is one thing that sadly hasn't changed in the last 54 years.</p> <p>Poor guy.</p> incidents like this can happen only in india

Err…what are you basing that on? Ever heard of China? Thousands of people go ‘missing’ each year. At least this guy was alive. Hell, what about half of Asia, most of Africa and parts of South America? I hardly think India is alone in this.

BUT what I will criticise is what I assume happened here – how Indian families completely disown someone with a mental health problem. That is one thing that sadly hasn’t changed in the last 54 years.

Poor guy.

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By: prakruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/25/kumbhakarna_awa/comment-page-1/#comment-17441 prakruti Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:09:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1896#comment-17441 <p>sad story...incidents like this can happen only in india..missing 50 yrs of precious life for no fault of his and yet not questioning for fighting for what he lost..thats a common poor uneducated man in india..Iam glad his silent voice was heard by local human rights organisations.. I always wondered how people can live for 50 yrs in prison amidst four walls with no freedom.. I admired Nelson mandela when I was very young , he was in prison for decades fighting for a national cause and productively spending his time in prison reading and mobilising people despite being powerless in prison... On a lighter vein, reading ur article I remembered the story I read when I was a kid, Rip van winkle sleeping for 20yrs and waking up one day to find everything change around him....</p> sad story…incidents like this can happen only in india..missing 50 yrs of precious life for no fault of his and yet not questioning for fighting for what he lost..thats a common poor uneducated man in india..Iam glad his silent voice was heard by local human rights organisations.. I always wondered how people can live for 50 yrs in prison amidst four walls with no freedom.. I admired Nelson mandela when I was very young , he was in prison for decades fighting for a national cause and productively spending his time in prison reading and mobilising people despite being powerless in prison… On a lighter vein, reading ur article I remembered the story I read when I was a kid, Rip van winkle sleeping for 20yrs and waking up one day to find everything change around him….

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