In that case, you lost long ago.

Hmm… I suppose you do have speed on the brain…

You quote CBS News and 60 minutes, which have had a pretty shaky history of actually getting their stories right in the recent past. Yet The Washington Times is somehow less reputable…A “bit rich” and “hyprocritical” no ?

I post the link to the official law that the ATF is supposed to enforce, not the opinions of one former ATF agent, anymore than one IRS agent’s opinions are the official opinions of the IRS. Yet you suddenly have no interest in that. Funny for someone who requested my backing up my statement. Guess you find it hard to hold a consistent thought. The scar tissue must be affecting your thought processes. My sympathies…

I don’t think you have to worry about lax gun laws here when in Europe they are quite openly selling sophisticated sniper weapons to potential terrorist groups by the boat load . Hypocrisy is not an American domain alone.

And what’s with the weird personal attacks and creepy “darlings” and “dear” terms ? Do you get this way about anyone who disagrees with you ? I disagreed with your opinion and directed my opinions to that alone, no weird abusive comments directed at you. You ask me to provide links and I did. You decline to read them and call me a “barking mad mouthpiece for the NRA”. I never even made a reference to the NRA in any of my posts. Yet you drag the NRA into it. Is that leap of specious association any different from the way law enforcement is making faulty associations between people of a certain ethnic background and terrorism ? Suddenly you have made this a personal issue rather than about the material being discussed. I thought you wanted a rational debate. I was wrong. Bizarre… I thought the moderators of this board wanted to keep the posts on topic and abuse free. You didn’t read that part either.

Like they say, the first one to resort to personal attacks has lost the debate.

People don’t like amending the Bill of Rights unless it involves flag-burning

It was totally understandable.

Sure, it’s goofy to someone still living under a royal family (That’s so fifteenth century, yo.)

It’s totally understandable. It’s a direct line from ‘governments… deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed’ to the means of overthrow if the system sucked. Like they had just done with the king.

The founding fathers were some mutinous cats.

(that’s the one about bearing arms civil war style, right?)

Please don’t argue with me, we’ll never agree and it’s half past three so I’m off to slee…p.

U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!

You can wade through the documents and laws to your hearts content. Pretty clearly states what is legal and what is not. I’d rather not, thanks. The point of providing a link is to help boost your argument. I could, for example, have directed your attention to dozens of anti- NRA sites, but that would have been ridiculous since my point was that the US gun laws are so lax, most terrorist organizations benefit. And I think this, and this, and this do so, amply. In fact, in post #25, I quote an ATF official who said,

“We are the candy store for guns in the world. And it’s easy for people to acquire them here,” says Vince, who adds that America is “absolutely” the best place for a terrorist to equip himself with guns…”Small arms are the No. 1 weapon for terrorists.”

Maybe you were getting so hot and bothered by my “foul mouthed prose” you missed it the first time? It was indented with blockquotes, but, don’t worry..I understand how those things can be..

I am not the one screaming like Chicken Little about some stupid law expiring. Are those meds for a sense of delusional superiority ? Oh, Vikram..tsk tsk. Temper Temper! Please don’t project your anger (and/or delusions) onto me. My lyrics were a riff on the ATF officials comments, and a nod to a 50 cent song. I’m so sorry – it must be hard getting old. And losing your sense of humor.

And, darling, I’m as much afraid of Ossama getting nukes as you are…but shouldn’t be worried about what he already has in ready supply? That fact that the US, in its “War on Terror” is also one of the world’s biggest arms suppliers…is a bit rich, no? Preposterous, maybe? Hypocritical, perhaps?

I loved that you looked something up in the Washington Times, by the way. Please keep it up! Refering to CaseLaw, as you did in your last link, really does nothing to dispell the gloomy notion that you really are nothing but a barking mad mouthpiece for the NRA, dear.

Since you asked, here is the link to the ATF’s page on registraion of machine guns et al. You can wade through the documents and laws to your hearts content. Pretty clearly states what is legal and what is not.

ATF

15 years ago Osama was still a “good guy” atleast to the CIA. At that time you do realize that the CIA also gave him 500 Stringers that are more lethal than any .50 caliber rifle ? Now that is what should make you take your meds…not a dozen rifles that do not have anything like a heat seeking warhead. Or this story.

Juvenile and whiny ? This from somebody who babbles incoherently and fills up space with inane “lyrics” … I am not the one screaming like Chicken Little about some stupid law expiring. Are those meds for a sense of delusional superiority ?

And of course you know what laws don’t give the government more power… Funny, this topic starts with a mention of the Fourth Amendment and its possible violations under the current situation. And you have no qualms about doing the same to the Second Amendment.

Now be a nice boy and link to something that supports your assertions, will you?

I really don’t know how to respond to a comment that dwells on “bayonet lugs” while ignoring an article that begins:

Fifteen years ago, Osama bin Laden sent one of his operatives to the United States to buy and bring back two-dozen .50-caliber rifles, a gun that can kill someone from over a mile away and even bring down an airplane.

If you read the article at all, you might needs meds as much as I do, cause no sane adult could write something this juvenile and whiny:

why shoul the 99.99 % of gun owners be penalized for the acts of a few ? And why aren’t the laws enforced uniformly ?

By the way, not all laws give the government more power. For example, we could use more stringent laws regarding politicians consorting with lobbyists.

You might want to tone down the foul mouthed prose a bit… I’m not sure what you mean by “whatever the f**k they want”

On the one hand you wail in all your posts about stereotyping and yet somehow paint me as some NRA spouting fanatic. Fine job in not using stereotypes yourself…Perhaps you do need “dem meds”

And then you say

Don’t give the govt. more power.

. Yet you do want them to add more laws.

According to the National Firearms Act, machine guns have to be registered with the ATF by civilian owners after being fingerprinted and photographed. I doubt any criminal is going to wait the for that. Assault weapons were never banned. If you look at the law that expired last year, all it did was outlaw some minor cosmetic details on some guns…. things like bayonet lugs. I don’t think there has been a “bayonet based killing” in the US since the Civil War. Semi-automatic “assault rifles” have always been legal to purchase in the US (except where local states and cities had their own local laws supercede the Federal law). So nothing dramatic happened last September, except an ill thought out law went away.

The question you need to be asking is why were 35 terrorists allowed to buy weapons, if they identified as such. Just as much as most posts on this forum are about why should innocent people be profiled for the acts of a few, why shoul the 99.99 % of gun owners be penalized for the acts of a few ? And why aren’t the laws enforced uniformly ?

Given the fact that a gun is pretty weak in terms of being a terror weapon compared to a backpack bomb or even a gas tanker loaded with explosives or a fully loaded airplane, I think you can rest easy that the notion “Christmas came early” last September 13th is not true. Rogue Pakistani nuclear scientists are a greater threat. I would however buy that radiation detector and CBRN resistant suit. And perhaps stock up on those meds you were refering to.