Comments on: Sign Here, Here and Here http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Nina P http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-17094 Nina P Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:20:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-17094 <p>Has anyone else seen <a href="http://www.avenueq.com/soundtrack.html">Avenue Q?</a></p> <p>Everyone's a little bit racist Sometimes. Doesn't mean we go Around committing hate crimes. Look around and you will find No one's really color blind. Maybe it's a fact We all should face Everyone makes judgments Based on race.</p> <p>Everyone's a little bit racist Today. So, everyone's a little bit racist Okay! Ethinic jokes might be uncouth, But you laugh because They're based on truth. Don't take them as Personal attacks. Everyone enjoys them - So relax!</p> <p>Everyone's a little bit racist - All right! Bigotry has never been Exclusively white If we all could just admit That we are racist a little bit, Even though we all know That it's wrong, Maybe it would help us Get along.</p> Has anyone else seen Avenue Q?

Everyone’s a little bit racist Sometimes. Doesn’t mean we go Around committing hate crimes. Look around and you will find No one’s really color blind. Maybe it’s a fact We all should face Everyone makes judgments Based on race.

Everyone’s a little bit racist Today. So, everyone’s a little bit racist Okay! Ethinic jokes might be uncouth, But you laugh because They’re based on truth. Don’t take them as Personal attacks. Everyone enjoys them – So relax!

Everyone’s a little bit racist - All right! Bigotry has never been Exclusively white If we all could just admit That we are racist a little bit, Even though we all know That it’s wrong, Maybe it would help us Get along.

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By: PinkyLovesBunty http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-17093 PinkyLovesBunty Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:05:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-17093 <p>All of you guys expressing displeasure with INS employees may not have yet experienced the distinct joy of going to the Indian consulate (pick your city) to get a travel visa.</p> <p>Now, THERE'S a bastion of good manners and excellent customer service - and if you are lucky enough to be brown yourself, they treat you SO much better.</p> All of you guys expressing displeasure with INS employees may not have yet experienced the distinct joy of going to the Indian consulate (pick your city) to get a travel visa.

Now, THERE’S a bastion of good manners and excellent customer service – and if you are lucky enough to be brown yourself, they treat you SO much better.

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By: Mauli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-17061 Mauli Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:46:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-17061 <p>Sluggo, what are you saying? Why would you think this man was most likely part of a civil right's movement? Because he is black? Did you ask him if he meant if you like it here in the US or are you 'assuming'. I have been asked that many times but I have never once thought well, they must mean here in the US just because I am indian? I don't let myself think that way I am a government employee since 1998 and work along with many more government employees, but never have came across one that hated others, in the way you are assuming. I understand that everyone has different experiences but DON'T say MOST goven. employees hate everyone we are not all bad. Another thing, since when does one go the immigration office or the embassy w/o their passport. Maybe it's my silly habit that when I go to get visas or anything I always have my passport and SSC. Even when they 'SUGGEST' that you might not need it. Just so I can avoid situations like this.</p> Sluggo, what are you saying? Why would you think this man was most likely part of a civil right’s movement? Because he is black? Did you ask him if he meant if you like it here in the US or are you ‘assuming’. I have been asked that many times but I have never once thought well, they must mean here in the US just because I am indian? I don’t let myself think that way I am a government employee since 1998 and work along with many more government employees, but never have came across one that hated others, in the way you are assuming. I understand that everyone has different experiences but DON’T say MOST goven. employees hate everyone we are not all bad. Another thing, since when does one go the immigration office or the embassy w/o their passport. Maybe it’s my silly habit that when I go to get visas or anything I always have my passport and SSC. Even when they ‘SUGGEST’ that you might not need it. Just so I can avoid situations like this.

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By: cicatrix http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-17056 cicatrix Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:06:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-17056 <p>I hear Sylvan's quite good...</p> I hear Sylvan’s quite good…

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-17042 Sluggo Sat, 23 Jul 2005 01:03:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-17042 <blockquote>I've seen your attitude often. </blockquote> <p>Wow, and here I thought nobody noticed me. <em>sniff</em></p> <blockquote> You point to the queen and the security guard and say "racially insensitive".</blockquote> <p>I did? Wow, I didn't know I could write without knowing it.</p> <blockquote>You point to turbanhead and say "irony". You assume that a elderly black man was "part of the civil rights movement" and that obviously he meant "the US" and not the building/neighborhood, and I guess on your part that's just being "racially insightful"</blockquote> <p>No, insightful will just do fine.</p> <blockquote>because Amerikkkans are like that, right?</blockquote> <p>Hmmmm...I've never used 'Amerikkkans' before. The only one who did that was GC, but if it's not trademarked, could I use it?</p> <blockquote>So when me and mine do it, it's irony. When others do it, it's insensitivity or worse.</blockquote> <p>Don't you mean the opposite?</p> <p>Well, Jacko, it seems your reading comprehension is quite limited. While TB hasn't really commented on any other comments, I'll stick with what I can infer. Let's start with your first statement.</p> <blockquote>this post of yours stereotyping him as gay by his appearance is your revenge for him stereotyping you by your appearance</blockquote> <p>Stereotyping is never going to stop, because it's a part of humanity; unless maybe your mentally challenged and don't comprehend things in the same ways. Are you mentally challenged Jack? But people can raise their actions above their stereotypes, which apparently the gay individual couldn't do. TB did not mention the ethnicity at all of the gay person, but I'm sure that most people assumed that it was white male. Did TB do or say anything negative or deragtory based on the stereotype? No. Did the gay person? Yes. Do you understand the 'irony'? And no, it's not like 'tinny' or 'coppery'.</p> <p>My conversation with the older black gentleman was paraphrased rather a huge drawn out essay. It happened a few weeks after 9/11, and the conversation lead from where I grew up, to that question. After several years off conversing with same person, all of sudden he want's to know if I like the 'US'? Please..it has nothing to do with "racial insight". People are stupid when they are afraid, and it doesn't matter what their background is;</p> <blockquote>because Amerikkkans are like that, right?</blockquote> <p>I'm an American, is that ok with you? And, yes, Americans of <b>all backgrounds</b> can be like that. Are we so pure?</p> <blockquote>so when me and mine</blockquote> <p>Who exactly are you talking about?</p> <p>Maybe some remedial course could help out.</p> I’ve seen your attitude often.

Wow, and here I thought nobody noticed me. sniff

You point to the queen and the security guard and say “racially insensitive”.

I did? Wow, I didn’t know I could write without knowing it.

You point to turbanhead and say “irony”. You assume that a elderly black man was “part of the civil rights movement” and that obviously he meant “the US” and not the building/neighborhood, and I guess on your part that’s just being “racially insightful”

No, insightful will just do fine.

because Amerikkkans are like that, right?

Hmmmm…I’ve never used ‘Amerikkkans’ before. The only one who did that was GC, but if it’s not trademarked, could I use it?

So when me and mine do it, it’s irony. When others do it, it’s insensitivity or worse.

Don’t you mean the opposite?

Well, Jacko, it seems your reading comprehension is quite limited. While TB hasn’t really commented on any other comments, I’ll stick with what I can infer. Let’s start with your first statement.

this post of yours stereotyping him as gay by his appearance is your revenge for him stereotyping you by your appearance

Stereotyping is never going to stop, because it’s a part of humanity; unless maybe your mentally challenged and don’t comprehend things in the same ways. Are you mentally challenged Jack? But people can raise their actions above their stereotypes, which apparently the gay individual couldn’t do. TB did not mention the ethnicity at all of the gay person, but I’m sure that most people assumed that it was white male. Did TB do or say anything negative or deragtory based on the stereotype? No. Did the gay person? Yes. Do you understand the ‘irony’? And no, it’s not like ‘tinny’ or ‘coppery’.

My conversation with the older black gentleman was paraphrased rather a huge drawn out essay. It happened a few weeks after 9/11, and the conversation lead from where I grew up, to that question. After several years off conversing with same person, all of sudden he want’s to know if I like the ‘US’? Please..it has nothing to do with “racial insight”. People are stupid when they are afraid, and it doesn’t matter what their background is;

because Amerikkkans are like that, right?

I’m an American, is that ok with you? And, yes, Americans of all backgrounds can be like that. Are we so pure?

so when me and mine

Who exactly are you talking about?

Maybe some remedial course could help out.

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By: Maitri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-16950 Maitri Fri, 22 Jul 2005 17:06:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-16950 <p>Welcome, Turbanhead! Your kid's Welsh-Indian? He must be cuteso cute. Hybrids rule!</p> <p>Bitter memories of the lady at the New Orleans drivers' licensing office who insisted on seeing my passport as formal proof of identification because my as-yet-valid Wisconsin DL wasn't enough? Of course, the maraschino on top (in keeping with the fruit motif of this first Turbanhead post) was her proclamation that it didn't matter that I have a US passport, "you weren't born here, so you're not a citizen."</p> <p>And how would this matter for my authorization to drive in the state of Louisiana? Also, ever heard of naturalization, you dullard?</p> <p>They pick the brightest crayons out of the rejects box for these jobs. Then again, would you want such employment?</p> Welcome, Turbanhead! Your kid’s Welsh-Indian? He must be cuteso cute. Hybrids rule!

Bitter memories of the lady at the New Orleans drivers’ licensing office who insisted on seeing my passport as formal proof of identification because my as-yet-valid Wisconsin DL wasn’t enough? Of course, the maraschino on top (in keeping with the fruit motif of this first Turbanhead post) was her proclamation that it didn’t matter that I have a US passport, “you weren’t born here, so you’re not a citizen.”

And how would this matter for my authorization to drive in the state of Louisiana? Also, ever heard of naturalization, you dullard?

They pick the brightest crayons out of the rejects box for these jobs. Then again, would you want such employment?

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By: me http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-16938 me Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:13:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-16938 <p>it's just bothersome that just because I look foreign, some people assume that I could not have possibly lived in the States my whole life (which i have by the way). This is the great American melting pot-<i>school house rock flashback</i>-anyone could be from anywhere!</p> it’s just bothersome that just because I look foreign, some people assume that I could not have possibly lived in the States my whole life (which i have by the way). This is the great American melting pot-school house rock flashback-anyone could be from anywhere!

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By: Jack Burden http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-16936 Jack Burden Fri, 22 Jul 2005 15:48:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-16936 <p>sluggo:</p> <p>I've seen your attitude often. You point to the queen and the security guard and say "racially insensitive".</p> <p>You point to turbanhead and say "irony". You assume that a elderly black man was "part of the civil rights movement" and that obviously he meant "the US" and not the building/neighborhood, and I guess on your part that's just being "racially insightful", because Amerikkkans are like that, right?</p> <p>So when me and mine do it, it's irony. When others do it, it's insensitivity or worse.</p> sluggo:

I’ve seen your attitude often. You point to the queen and the security guard and say “racially insensitive”.

You point to turbanhead and say “irony”. You assume that a elderly black man was “part of the civil rights movement” and that obviously he meant “the US” and not the building/neighborhood, and I guess on your part that’s just being “racially insightful”, because Amerikkkans are like that, right?

So when me and mine do it, it’s irony. When others do it, it’s insensitivity or worse.

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By: sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-16912 sluggo Fri, 22 Jul 2005 07:31:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-16912 <blockquote>I agree with Jack. This stereotyping has to stop. I am naturalized citizen myself. I can't say I had really horrible experience with the particular process. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't the easiest thing, but in the same breath it wasn't the hardest thing I have done in my life. Turbanhead how can you expect him not to stereotype you, when you are stereotyping him? I am not saying what he did was right by any means, but by you calling him " big old queen, IÂ’m talking rings on each finger, dyed hair, in his early 60s looking like Tony Curtis and talking like Paul Lynde queen" was also not right. Like Jack Said "when will the madness end?" </blockquote> <p>There is a difference here that I don't think you are understanding. TB was describing how this big queen looked, but not how he predicated his actiongs towards him based on those looks. Where as the 'big queen' not only verbalised his stereotyping, but also the formed disparaging actions along with it -- although more than likely because most government workers seem to hate everyone.</p> <p>I live in a predominately HUGE gay neighborhood, and I have a lot of gay neighbors. Not only are they out, but often talk amongst themselves as big queens, girls or even faggots. Not only that but many of them would prefer that you refer to them in this manor.</p> <p>I've met many people straight, gay, bi, pink, purple, brown, white, black, etc..it doesn't matter if they are a minority or group that has been discriminated or persecuted; indidividuals can and will be assholes regardless of it; To prove my point, I have several black security guards in apartment building. There was one who was well into his sixties or seventies, and for the life of me, I could never really understand what he said at times. One day he had come up to make sure that the thermostat was working correctly. As I'm sitting there going through my mail and making small chit chat, he say's "So how do you like it here?" Here did not mean building, neighberhood, town, or city. I knew exactly what he meant, and he meant the US. How galling is that when, I've lived here for over thirty years, and speak perfect american english (slang and all) to be asked such a question, from someone who most likely was part of the civil rights movement.</p> I agree with Jack. This stereotyping has to stop. I am naturalized citizen myself. I can’t say I had really horrible experience with the particular process. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t the easiest thing, but in the same breath it wasn’t the hardest thing I have done in my life. Turbanhead how can you expect him not to stereotype you, when you are stereotyping him? I am not saying what he did was right by any means, but by you calling him ” big old queen, IÂ’m talking rings on each finger, dyed hair, in his early 60s looking like Tony Curtis and talking like Paul Lynde queen” was also not right. Like Jack Said “when will the madness end?”

There is a difference here that I don’t think you are understanding. TB was describing how this big queen looked, but not how he predicated his actiongs towards him based on those looks. Where as the ‘big queen’ not only verbalised his stereotyping, but also the formed disparaging actions along with it — although more than likely because most government workers seem to hate everyone.

I live in a predominately HUGE gay neighborhood, and I have a lot of gay neighbors. Not only are they out, but often talk amongst themselves as big queens, girls or even faggots. Not only that but many of them would prefer that you refer to them in this manor.

I’ve met many people straight, gay, bi, pink, purple, brown, white, black, etc..it doesn’t matter if they are a minority or group that has been discriminated or persecuted; indidividuals can and will be assholes regardless of it; To prove my point, I have several black security guards in apartment building. There was one who was well into his sixties or seventies, and for the life of me, I could never really understand what he said at times. One day he had come up to make sure that the thermostat was working correctly. As I’m sitting there going through my mail and making small chit chat, he say’s “So how do you like it here?” Here did not mean building, neighberhood, town, or city. I knew exactly what he meant, and he meant the US. How galling is that when, I’ve lived here for over thirty years, and speak perfect american english (slang and all) to be asked such a question, from someone who most likely was part of the civil rights movement.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/07/21/sign_here_here/comment-page-1/#comment-16907 Manish Vij Fri, 22 Jul 2005 06:19:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1873#comment-16907 <blockquote>... you calling him " big old queen, IÂ’m talking rings on each finger, dyed hair, in his early 60s looking like Tony Curtis and talking like Paul Lynde queen" was also not right.</blockquote> <p>Now I wasn't at the scene, but if Turbanhead's describing this correctly, he was out and proud.</p> <p>Some people have a weird view of stereotyping-- you want to avoid inaccurate generalizations about a group which play to the conventional wisdom.</p> <p>It isn't stereotyping if it's about an individual, and it's <b>true</b>. To call a spade a spade isn't just correct, it's your duty.</p> … you calling him ” big old queen, IÂ’m talking rings on each finger, dyed hair, in his early 60s looking like Tony Curtis and talking like Paul Lynde queen” was also not right.

Now I wasn’t at the scene, but if Turbanhead’s describing this correctly, he was out and proud.

Some people have a weird view of stereotyping– you want to avoid inaccurate generalizations about a group which play to the conventional wisdom.

It isn’t stereotyping if it’s about an individual, and it’s true. To call a spade a spade isn’t just correct, it’s your duty.

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