Comments on: Nixon, Kissinger and Indira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: india http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-284311 india Tue, 24 May 2011 04:32:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-284311 <p>Indra gandhi was a whore bitch witch prostitute. kutti harami</p> Indra gandhi was a whore bitch witch prostitute. kutti harami

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By: the game http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-280498 the game Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:37:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-280498 <p>These comments are not that shocking. This is how the game is played at these levels. Nixon was never a smooth talker anyway. If anything this should serve to do is highlight how careful India needs to be in its dealings with other countries. These types of things should also remove the veil of ignorance that many Indians have in believing that the US or the West is their saviour and their friend. They are your friend if it suits them, if it doesn't then they will switch in a minute.</p> <p>I just hope it leads Indians to question things and become stronger. India has to learn to stand on its own two feet to be respected and to act in the best interests of its own people. That is not to say that the US and the West can't be great allies, but just be aware of the game being played and play it too. Otherwise you just become the sucker at the table, just like in Poker.</p> <p>I actually think India is well placed to be an ally to both the west and the east by building good relations with both sides. I think it could be a bringer together of opposing sides at some point. But that point can only be reached through mutual respect and that may mean playing these guys at their own game.</p> These comments are not that shocking. This is how the game is played at these levels. Nixon was never a smooth talker anyway. If anything this should serve to do is highlight how careful India needs to be in its dealings with other countries. These types of things should also remove the veil of ignorance that many Indians have in believing that the US or the West is their saviour and their friend. They are your friend if it suits them, if it doesn’t then they will switch in a minute.

I just hope it leads Indians to question things and become stronger. India has to learn to stand on its own two feet to be respected and to act in the best interests of its own people. That is not to say that the US and the West can’t be great allies, but just be aware of the game being played and play it too. Otherwise you just become the sucker at the table, just like in Poker.

I actually think India is well placed to be an ally to both the west and the east by building good relations with both sides. I think it could be a bringer together of opposing sides at some point. But that point can only be reached through mutual respect and that may mean playing these guys at their own game.

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By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-280464 Varun Shekhar Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:01:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-280464 <p>Samir, good posting. Without meaning to go way off topic, the reference to Nixon( and Kissinger) needing Pakistan for China, just proves beyond a reasonable doubt what a hoax and a fraud the whole "cold war" was. If the ideological underpinning of the cold war was principled and determined opposition to totalitarianism, what possible role could China have in any such movement? The US and UK of course, discredited themselves from the beginning by propping up all kinds of dictatorships in the name of keeping communism at bay. But roping in a totalitarian state like China to counter another totalitarian state like Russia, takes the proverbial cake.</p> Samir, good posting. Without meaning to go way off topic, the reference to Nixon( and Kissinger) needing Pakistan for China, just proves beyond a reasonable doubt what a hoax and a fraud the whole “cold war” was. If the ideological underpinning of the cold war was principled and determined opposition to totalitarianism, what possible role could China have in any such movement? The US and UK of course, discredited themselves from the beginning by propping up all kinds of dictatorships in the name of keeping communism at bay. But roping in a totalitarian state like China to counter another totalitarian state like Russia, takes the proverbial cake.

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By: samir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-280457 samir Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:07:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-280457 <p>Hi</p> <p>First thing to remember is the context of the remarks - a genocide was going on in Bangladesh, and Indira Gandhi was trying to get buy-in from Nixon to intervene. Nixon (who needed Pakistan for China) couldn't care less about the Bangladeshis, inspite of American diplomats in Bangladesh and India screaming themselves hoarse. In the end a lot of people died, women were raped, and lives destroyed because of Nixon and Kissinger (and of course the Pakistan army). This week, after 40 years, Bangladesh is planning to honour Indira Gandhi and 226 other Indians for their part in helping this happen.</p> <p>With this background, the name calling hardly matters when set against . As for the forced sterilization, this was rumored to have happened around 1976-77 under Sanjay Gandhi, several years after these remarks. And it was the reason, as much as the emergency, that Indira Gandhi lost that election. It is a bad episode, and it wont be the last bad thing that happens in India. But for those whose adopted country is the US, remember that many such things have happened in the US also, and happens in every country. 25% of all black men are sent to prison - is this not a shame? We cannot judge a country by one episode, but understand that the best countries in the world have flaws and "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance". I am happy to say that as it happens in the US, ultimately in India people revolted and the practice came to an end. Since the 1980s, India has eliminated numerical targets for family planning, and focuses on a more positive approach around education and family health to achieve these goals.</p> Hi

First thing to remember is the context of the remarks – a genocide was going on in Bangladesh, and Indira Gandhi was trying to get buy-in from Nixon to intervene. Nixon (who needed Pakistan for China) couldn’t care less about the Bangladeshis, inspite of American diplomats in Bangladesh and India screaming themselves hoarse. In the end a lot of people died, women were raped, and lives destroyed because of Nixon and Kissinger (and of course the Pakistan army). This week, after 40 years, Bangladesh is planning to honour Indira Gandhi and 226 other Indians for their part in helping this happen.

With this background, the name calling hardly matters when set against . As for the forced sterilization, this was rumored to have happened around 1976-77 under Sanjay Gandhi, several years after these remarks. And it was the reason, as much as the emergency, that Indira Gandhi lost that election. It is a bad episode, and it wont be the last bad thing that happens in India. But for those whose adopted country is the US, remember that many such things have happened in the US also, and happens in every country. 25% of all black men are sent to prison – is this not a shame? We cannot judge a country by one episode, but understand that the best countries in the world have flaws and “the price of freedom is eternal vigilance”. I am happy to say that as it happens in the US, ultimately in India people revolted and the practice came to an end. Since the 1980s, India has eliminated numerical targets for family planning, and focuses on a more positive approach around education and family health to achieve these goals.

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By: Vivek Golikeri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-256978 Vivek Golikeri Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:12:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-256978 <p>So Kissinger, who survived the Holocaust at age 14 when his family moved to America, has no problem supporting another holocaust in Bangladesh, huh? Oh, wait a minute, I forgot! Bengalis are expendable. All that talk about how western civilization values human life is only meant for white people, right?</p> <p>Bastard... I don't know if he's still alive, but I hope he eventually rots in hell. To witness a Jew and a Holocaust survivor showing this callousness is not only shocking, but obscene.</p> So Kissinger, who survived the Holocaust at age 14 when his family moved to America, has no problem supporting another holocaust in Bangladesh, huh? Oh, wait a minute, I forgot! Bengalis are expendable. All that talk about how western civilization values human life is only meant for white people, right?

Bastard… I don’t know if he’s still alive, but I hope he eventually rots in hell. To witness a Jew and a Holocaust survivor showing this callousness is not only shocking, but obscene.

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By: ProudToBeSikh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-242495 ProudToBeSikh Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:13:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-242495 <p>KHALISTAN ZINDABAD NeverForget84 Indra Gandhi is a fucked up bitch NeverForget84 KHALISTAN ZINDABAD</p> KHALISTAN ZINDABAD NeverForget84 Indra Gandhi is a fucked up bitch NeverForget84 KHALISTAN ZINDABAD

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By: Observer_85 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-205346 Observer_85 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:57:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-205346 <p>Its all karma, people. Remember, in the 80s America was countering the Soviet "empire". At the time, America intervened and then the mujhadheen was able to defeat the "Red Army". That prestige costed them though in '71 when all those billions of dollars worth of tanks and jets couldn't beat India. All of a sudden, America had nothing to do with it. Fast forward years later, and look whats going on in Afghanistan. Another empire is closing in on it and this time like the Red Army nearly 20 years ago, they are still there, only there is no welcome mat for weapons.</p> Its all karma, people. Remember, in the 80s America was countering the Soviet “empire”. At the time, America intervened and then the mujhadheen was able to defeat the “Red Army”. That prestige costed them though in ’71 when all those billions of dollars worth of tanks and jets couldn’t beat India. All of a sudden, America had nothing to do with it. Fast forward years later, and look whats going on in Afghanistan. Another empire is closing in on it and this time like the Red Army nearly 20 years ago, they are still there, only there is no welcome mat for weapons.

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By: P S http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-130678 P S Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:50:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-130678 <p>I am a 38 year old Childfree male from New Delhi. I am a member of some childfree e groups in the US, but am not really aware of any childfree movement in India. Anyways, its a matter of time before the childfree concept hits India. You can read my childfree essay, in which I have tried to use logic and spirituality to stress the need for being childfree. Breeding concerns all of us, so I guess it should be of interest to everyone. You can read my essay "Conceiving a Child is a Sin" at: http://dontconceive.blogspot.com You are welcome to drop me a line at dontconceive@hotmail.com</p> I am a 38 year old Childfree male from New Delhi. I am a member of some childfree e groups in the US, but am not really aware of any childfree movement in India. Anyways, its a matter of time before the childfree concept hits India. You can read my childfree essay, in which I have tried to use logic and spirituality to stress the need for being childfree. Breeding concerns all of us, so I guess it should be of interest to everyone. You can read my essay “Conceiving a Child is a Sin” at: http://dontconceive.blogspot.com You are welcome to drop me a line at dontconceive@hotmail.com

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By: Raj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-18164 Raj Mon, 01 Aug 2005 00:49:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-18164 <p>Nina P asked "...is any kind of childfree movement developing in India? "</p> <p>I haven't heard of a movement yet. But came across this article recently</p> <p>http://www.desijournal.com/article.asp?articleid=249</p> Nina P asked “…is any kind of childfree movement developing in India? “

I haven’t heard of a movement yet. But came across this article recently

http://www.desijournal.com/article.asp?articleid=249

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By: Ahmed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/nixon_kissinger/comment-page-2/#comment-16380 Ahmed Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:13:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1784#comment-16380 <p>I think the comments on Indira is an understatement.</p> <p>However, they commenting on Indians generally is American dumbness.</p> <p>Nixon himself practising Yoga to control his stress and also doing "Omkar" 100 times (Meditating and chating "Om"). He lived few more days due to the sheer power of Yoga else he would not have had lived to even curse Indians. He himself is such a mean being and how can he comment on somebody else like that.</p> I think the comments on Indira is an understatement.

However, they commenting on Indians generally is American dumbness.

Nixon himself practising Yoga to control his stress and also doing “Omkar” 100 times (Meditating and chating “Om”). He lived few more days due to the sheer power of Yoga else he would not have had lived to even curse Indians. He himself is such a mean being and how can he comment on somebody else like that.

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