Comments on: Jayant Kadian confessed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Trent Walker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-278836 Trent Walker Tue, 05 Oct 2010 07:17:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-278836 <p>Thank you Mr. Kadian. God bless you and your family.</p> Thank you Mr. Kadian. God bless you and your family.

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By: Guy Dickinson http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-271320 Guy Dickinson Tue, 04 May 2010 20:38:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-271320 <p>Thank you for your comments Mr. Kadian. I went to school with Jay in middle school. I am sorry to hear for your losses and I wish you and your family the best of luck. I have never met Mrs. Kadian but I truly understand what an important person she was to so many. Noone can explain their actions after an enraged outburst, rather it is just cause by impulsion. Jay might have been unwillingly pushed in a direction,by your wife your own personal goals for him, which were healthy and bright, but unfortunately Jay vehemently opposed. Parents always want whats best for their kids, in which you all did, and I want to let you know that I believe you did everything possible to help. Again I wish you the best of luck and may you forever find peace in life from this point on. I appreciate your comments and other friends and families inquiries. I'm happy to know that you keep Jay in your life and in your heart, I know that it must mean the world to him that you still care.</p> Thank you for your comments Mr. Kadian. I went to school with Jay in middle school. I am sorry to hear for your losses and I wish you and your family the best of luck. I have never met Mrs. Kadian but I truly understand what an important person she was to so many. Noone can explain their actions after an enraged outburst, rather it is just cause by impulsion. Jay might have been unwillingly pushed in a direction,by your wife your own personal goals for him, which were healthy and bright, but unfortunately Jay vehemently opposed. Parents always want whats best for their kids, in which you all did, and I want to let you know that I believe you did everything possible to help. Again I wish you the best of luck and may you forever find peace in life from this point on. I appreciate your comments and other friends and families inquiries. I’m happy to know that you keep Jay in your life and in your heart, I know that it must mean the world to him that you still care.

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By: Sushma Lata http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-246741 Sushma Lata Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:33:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-246741 <p>I used to see Kiran during Swami Anubhavananda's visits to Dr Poudel's house. She used to be aloof but was there always present to support the hosts if needed. I found her pleasant and very lovely. Then I heard the news and was very very shocked. I often wondered and still do : where did such wonderful parents go wrong ? Was it really an immense pressure put on Jayant to perform better or was it just some form of sickness that we as parents often fail to recognize or even acknowledge in our children ? I have been in this country for over 20 years now and have raised 2 kids of my own. I have come across some parents who do expect a lot from their kids.. but I have seen kids taking charge of their lives once they are on their own... To my mind It had to do something with Jayant's abuse of drugs and his "mental" illness. Mr Kadian, I have never met your kids but I do see you and your wife from time to time and enjoy your writing.. my heart goes out to you and your daughters. I hope we can all learn something from this horrific happening... I would like to see what kind of letters Jayant writes to you.. I have studied "criminolgy" in law school with a special interest in "jeuvenile delinquency" .... Such cases deeply affect me... S</p> I used to see Kiran during Swami Anubhavananda’s visits to Dr Poudel’s house. She used to be aloof but was there always present to support the hosts if needed. I found her pleasant and very lovely. Then I heard the news and was very very shocked. I often wondered and still do : where did such wonderful parents go wrong ? Was it really an immense pressure put on Jayant to perform better or was it just some form of sickness that we as parents often fail to recognize or even acknowledge in our children ? I have been in this country for over 20 years now and have raised 2 kids of my own. I have come across some parents who do expect a lot from their kids.. but I have seen kids taking charge of their lives once they are on their own… To my mind It had to do something with Jayant’s abuse of drugs and his “mental” illness. Mr Kadian, I have never met your kids but I do see you and your wife from time to time and enjoy your writing.. my heart goes out to you and your daughters. I hope we can all learn something from this horrific happening… I would like to see what kind of letters Jayant writes to you.. I have studied “criminolgy” in law school with a special interest in “jeuvenile delinquency” …. Such cases deeply affect me… S

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By: Rajesh Kadian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-235697 Rajesh Kadian Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:37:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-235697 <p>This week marks the fourth anniversary of a uniquely horrific act that has irrevocably altered the lives of the four surviving members of Jay's nuclear family. This is a synopsis of the past four years from a grieving father, now approaching sixty, who is much touched by the ongoing comments and visits to this site by so many of you that presumably includes a silent majority (it is a Nixonian phrase. I am from that generation). Like others of that generation, for instance, the Vietnam vets, I cannot but help revisit sites like this one, especially on anniversaries.</p> <p>I do not spend this part of March in the States or in India (the land of my birth). Accordingly, I leave for England tomorrow. I used to drug test Jay periodically and with much difficulty, for he would often turn nasty and uncooperative. Though some tests would only turn out to be mildly positive for THC and I allowed him to return to college only when he was negative. However, the standard SAMHSA-5, like most tests does not screen for LSD, a drug that he vehemently denied using much of because he had had a "bad trip" with it. I believed him, though once I did once find a vial of acid left on his desk at home. In addition, he had acquired the look of a typical druggie ("a serial... look"), become a convincing liar and a petty thief (as do many druggies). I also found had high dose Nicotinic Acid tablets, rotting mushrooms (ordered from Holland, delivered by US Mail!)under his bed and a large number of Visine bottles after the act. Clearly, hindsight proved me wrong, but so were the the psychiatrists and psychologists who were treating him. As a physician (I am a gastroenterologist) I personally thought his major problem was an incipient schizo-affective disorder that begins with depressive symptoms.</p> <p>He never made eye cotact or communicated with me during his court appearences and his incarceration in Fairfax County. He wrote me immediately after he had pleaded guilty to a charge of second degree murder. He received a thirty year sentence (that includes ten years of probation and 15 percent off of the other twenty years for good behaviour). I suspect a public defender rather than a celebrated criminal lawyer would have obtained a simlar verdict. Since then, by some implied but unstated complicity we write monthly letters to each other. I will be happy to share these with anyone of you on an individual basis for whatever inputs and insights that you might wish to share with me. I would hope you would respect the privacy of such shared communication.</p> <p>I have not seen him since he was moved from Fairfax County beause he has to give permission to receive visits. He has never called, a privilege that he is entitled to. He does send seasonal greeting cards.</p> <p>I have since remarried and my new wife, a childless widow from India in her forties, also writes to him. He is correct and cordial in his replies and does raise a query, if she does not include a letter from her when I write him.</p> <p>His sisters (my two daughters), one in New York City, and the other in London, England, remain estranged from both of us.</p> <p>A couple of years ago, Ramsey came by our Great Falls home. I was not in. I did mention this to Jay and sent him his address. I do not think he wrote him. In the same vein, I recently sent him the address of his cousin Ahmol, who, too, attended most of the court appearences and was close to him. Ahmol went to UVA and some of you may know him.</p> <p>My address: 10005 Thompson Ridge Court Great Falls,VA 22066.</p> <p>I suspect Jay's address can be obtained from public sources as some have already apparently done. I would greatly appreciate being informed in advance if any one of you gets in touch with him.</p> <p>May the Almighty give all of you peace, grace, and bleesings.</p> This week marks the fourth anniversary of a uniquely horrific act that has irrevocably altered the lives of the four surviving members of Jay’s nuclear family. This is a synopsis of the past four years from a grieving father, now approaching sixty, who is much touched by the ongoing comments and visits to this site by so many of you that presumably includes a silent majority (it is a Nixonian phrase. I am from that generation). Like others of that generation, for instance, the Vietnam vets, I cannot but help revisit sites like this one, especially on anniversaries.

I do not spend this part of March in the States or in India (the land of my birth). Accordingly, I leave for England tomorrow. I used to drug test Jay periodically and with much difficulty, for he would often turn nasty and uncooperative. Though some tests would only turn out to be mildly positive for THC and I allowed him to return to college only when he was negative. However, the standard SAMHSA-5, like most tests does not screen for LSD, a drug that he vehemently denied using much of because he had had a “bad trip” with it. I believed him, though once I did once find a vial of acid left on his desk at home. In addition, he had acquired the look of a typical druggie (“a serial… look”), become a convincing liar and a petty thief (as do many druggies). I also found had high dose Nicotinic Acid tablets, rotting mushrooms (ordered from Holland, delivered by US Mail!)under his bed and a large number of Visine bottles after the act. Clearly, hindsight proved me wrong, but so were the the psychiatrists and psychologists who were treating him. As a physician (I am a gastroenterologist) I personally thought his major problem was an incipient schizo-affective disorder that begins with depressive symptoms.

He never made eye cotact or communicated with me during his court appearences and his incarceration in Fairfax County. He wrote me immediately after he had pleaded guilty to a charge of second degree murder. He received a thirty year sentence (that includes ten years of probation and 15 percent off of the other twenty years for good behaviour). I suspect a public defender rather than a celebrated criminal lawyer would have obtained a simlar verdict. Since then, by some implied but unstated complicity we write monthly letters to each other. I will be happy to share these with anyone of you on an individual basis for whatever inputs and insights that you might wish to share with me. I would hope you would respect the privacy of such shared communication.

I have not seen him since he was moved from Fairfax County beause he has to give permission to receive visits. He has never called, a privilege that he is entitled to. He does send seasonal greeting cards.

I have since remarried and my new wife, a childless widow from India in her forties, also writes to him. He is correct and cordial in his replies and does raise a query, if she does not include a letter from her when I write him.

His sisters (my two daughters), one in New York City, and the other in London, England, remain estranged from both of us.

A couple of years ago, Ramsey came by our Great Falls home. I was not in. I did mention this to Jay and sent him his address. I do not think he wrote him. In the same vein, I recently sent him the address of his cousin Ahmol, who, too, attended most of the court appearences and was close to him. Ahmol went to UVA and some of you may know him.

My address: 10005 Thompson Ridge Court Great Falls,VA 22066.

I suspect Jay’s address can be obtained from public sources as some have already apparently done. I would greatly appreciate being informed in advance if any one of you gets in touch with him.

May the Almighty give all of you peace, grace, and bleesings.

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By: twalker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-234167 twalker Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:29:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-234167 <p>I was just revisiting this story (as I do once in awhile), and saw the posts from other people that knew Jay. When I first posted ("I knew this kid") I was talking to strangers, but it looks as if some of Jay's friends and associates have put in their two cents, so here's mine:</p> <p>I became friends with Jay in about 4th or 5th grade. I remember him as outrageously funny (very sarcastic), and an understanding friend. We had a pretty large group of closely knit friends that hung out at school and had birthday parties, etc., a few times a year. When middle school came, we were all scattered but still pretty good friends. The birthday parties tapered off, and eventually we fell out of regular contact. However, we would still see each other in the halls at high school and give each other "5" or whatever.</p> <p>The last time I saw Jay was at a Safeway with his sister. This must have been fairly soon after the incident that Ramsey wrote about, because he just seemed so vacant. He was always pretty monotonous, as anyone who had a class with him could tell you, but he seemed very withdrawn and there was a distinct darkness in his eyes. We exchanged cell phone numbers and said we'd hang out. The next thing I heard, Jay's mom had been killed and Jay was missing.</p> <p>While it's impossible to find the exact cause of this tragedy, it's safe to assume it was, amongst other things, a combination of drugs and untreated mental issues. Drugs (even marijuana) affect different people differently. I'm intimately familiar with a case where marijuana alone lead to someone becoming paranoid/schiczophrenic. So don't discount the fact that drugs really do change a person. In this case it was our friend.</p> I was just revisiting this story (as I do once in awhile), and saw the posts from other people that knew Jay. When I first posted (“I knew this kid”) I was talking to strangers, but it looks as if some of Jay’s friends and associates have put in their two cents, so here’s mine:

I became friends with Jay in about 4th or 5th grade. I remember him as outrageously funny (very sarcastic), and an understanding friend. We had a pretty large group of closely knit friends that hung out at school and had birthday parties, etc., a few times a year. When middle school came, we were all scattered but still pretty good friends. The birthday parties tapered off, and eventually we fell out of regular contact. However, we would still see each other in the halls at high school and give each other “5″ or whatever.

The last time I saw Jay was at a Safeway with his sister. This must have been fairly soon after the incident that Ramsey wrote about, because he just seemed so vacant. He was always pretty monotonous, as anyone who had a class with him could tell you, but he seemed very withdrawn and there was a distinct darkness in his eyes. We exchanged cell phone numbers and said we’d hang out. The next thing I heard, Jay’s mom had been killed and Jay was missing.

While it’s impossible to find the exact cause of this tragedy, it’s safe to assume it was, amongst other things, a combination of drugs and untreated mental issues. Drugs (even marijuana) affect different people differently. I’m intimately familiar with a case where marijuana alone lead to someone becoming paranoid/schiczophrenic. So don’t discount the fact that drugs really do change a person. In this case it was our friend.

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By: AW http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-220617 AW Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:41:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-220617 <p>People in the justice system should really look at the possibility that once an individual abuses a drug like LSD to the point where he has to talk to his cigarettes when he smokes one, he should not be released in 20 years. I brought a female over to the apartment he was staying in just two weeks before the murder and she told me she never wanted to go over there again because he reminded her of a serial killer.</p> People in the justice system should really look at the possibility that once an individual abuses a drug like LSD to the point where he has to talk to his cigarettes when he smokes one, he should not be released in 20 years. I brought a female over to the apartment he was staying in just two weeks before the murder and she told me she never wanted to go over there again because he reminded her of a serial killer.

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By: AL http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-220615 AL Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:31:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-220615 <p>I knew him, all he did was play halo 2 non stop. I hear he became psychotic and depressed due to the fact that he overdosed on a hallucinagen which was unlike his character to everyone who knew him away from college.</p> <p>If he was a good kid, that drug changed it. He seemed like an alright guy to me just a little weird how he would never come out of his room. Im very sorry for his familys loss. I just did not see anything about why he was psychotic and depressed, maybe he hid that from everyone but his roomates(i was not a roomate just a friend of his roomate).</p> <p>20 years isnt fair he deserves not to be in jail but locked up permanently in a mental institution. This kid was not sociable whatsoever. Marijuana had nothing to do with the state he was in. It was the overdose on the hallucinagen.</p> I knew him, all he did was play halo 2 non stop. I hear he became psychotic and depressed due to the fact that he overdosed on a hallucinagen which was unlike his character to everyone who knew him away from college.

If he was a good kid, that drug changed it. He seemed like an alright guy to me just a little weird how he would never come out of his room. Im very sorry for his familys loss. I just did not see anything about why he was psychotic and depressed, maybe he hid that from everyone but his roomates(i was not a roomate just a friend of his roomate).

20 years isnt fair he deserves not to be in jail but locked up permanently in a mental institution. This kid was not sociable whatsoever. Marijuana had nothing to do with the state he was in. It was the overdose on the hallucinagen.

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By: TA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-216611 TA Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:28:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-216611 <p>I'm not sure why everybody wants to glorify his behavior as a kid and say that deep down he is a good person. the way that you handle events and issues while growing up and through the rest of your life shapes you into who you are as a person. I went to school with Jay for like 7 years and all he could do was make jokes at other people's expenses. I figured it was a good thing he started smoking pot in highschool- hopefully it would have calmed him down- but all it really did was make it that much harder to duck his parents. He could have gotten a job, he could have moved out, he could have done alot of things- but he decided to stab his mother 23 times in the neck with a butchers knife, then an additional 7 times in the back after she had bled out on the floor of the kitchen WHILE SHE WAS MAKING HIM DINNER. He was a sick little fuck and still is- i hope they wear him like a sock puppet in prison.</p> I’m not sure why everybody wants to glorify his behavior as a kid and say that deep down he is a good person. the way that you handle events and issues while growing up and through the rest of your life shapes you into who you are as a person. I went to school with Jay for like 7 years and all he could do was make jokes at other people’s expenses. I figured it was a good thing he started smoking pot in highschool- hopefully it would have calmed him down- but all it really did was make it that much harder to duck his parents. He could have gotten a job, he could have moved out, he could have done alot of things- but he decided to stab his mother 23 times in the neck with a butchers knife, then an additional 7 times in the back after she had bled out on the floor of the kitchen WHILE SHE WAS MAKING HIM DINNER. He was a sick little fuck and still is- i hope they wear him like a sock puppet in prison.

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By: Ali http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-118319 Ali Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:01:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-118319 <p>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010501927.html?nav=emailpage</p> <p>Update - 20 years in jail. Wow, seems very generous. I do NOT agree with this at all but I'm sure his family didn't want the life sentence or even death. Poor kid...life is ruined. He'll be released from prison and immediately try to score some drugs...hopefully I'm wrong. What do you guys think?</p> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/05/AR2007010501927.html?nav=emailpage

Update – 20 years in jail. Wow, seems very generous. I do NOT agree with this at all but I’m sure his family didn’t want the life sentence or even death. Poor kid…life is ruined. He’ll be released from prison and immediately try to score some drugs…hopefully I’m wrong. What do you guys think?

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By: Kiran's childhood friend http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/06/29/jayant_kadian_c/comment-page-1/#comment-117321 Kiran's childhood friend Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:11:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1783#comment-117321 <p>My children live in the US and they happened to inform me about this tragic news. Believe me nothing could have been worse. Kiran was a well rounded personality, with the right blend of style, emotions, humility and love. She was very eager to have a son after two daughters. She made a wish for a son and on his birth even went to Tirupathi to get her head shaved off . I personally believe that when the desire of a male child in the cultural indian context heightens, the boy in such a family may not receive a well balanced environment to grow in. And I presume that is what happened to Jayant. I can just silently mourn the death of a friend... A dear friend who will live in my heart till I do.... Beyond which I hope to pass on her memories to my kids to carry on with. I will love and miss her always. No punishment to Jayant can get his wonderful ma back... I hope the family lives happily, in peace ever after</p> My children live in the US and they happened to inform me about this tragic news. Believe me nothing could have been worse. Kiran was a well rounded personality, with the right blend of style, emotions, humility and love. She was very eager to have a son after two daughters. She made a wish for a son and on his birth even went to Tirupathi to get her head shaved off . I personally believe that when the desire of a male child in the cultural indian context heightens, the boy in such a family may not receive a well balanced environment to grow in. And I presume that is what happened to Jayant. I can just silently mourn the death of a friend… A dear friend who will live in my heart till I do…. Beyond which I hope to pass on her memories to my kids to carry on with. I will love and miss her always. No punishment to Jayant can get his wonderful ma back… I hope the family lives happily, in peace ever after

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