Comments on: Film bomb plot uncovered http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Punjabi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-102027 Punjabi Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:05:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-102027 <p>The Lakshae e toiba man arrested for mumbai blasts admitted to the delhi bombings were his groups work. Just like Jagtar Singh Hawara said he had not done or condoned the act of terror. Also he didnt know any of the 4 accused in the attack. Fukin sharade by the indian government and police forces</p> The Lakshae e toiba man arrested for mumbai blasts admitted to the delhi bombings were his groups work. Just like Jagtar Singh Hawara said he had not done or condoned the act of terror. Also he didnt know any of the 4 accused in the attack. Fukin sharade by the indian government and police forces

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By: aman ahlawat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-40452 aman ahlawat Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:50:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-40452 <p>dear brothers-sisters vahe guru ji ka khalsa vahe guruji ki fateh. i just wanna say that the so called sikh terrorists are our martyrs . of course they were milead and betrayed by their leaders but they hailed guru sahib and laid their lives to avenge the atrocities commited by the political mada****ds . i bow to babbar martyrs i am a hindu jat but u know there is no difference coz i follow guru sahib and a sikh at heart and would not fear to take up an AK-47 if the community is threatened.</p> dear brothers-sisters vahe guru ji ka khalsa vahe guruji ki fateh. i just wanna say that the so called sikh terrorists are our martyrs . of course they were milead and betrayed by their leaders but they hailed guru sahib and laid their lives to avenge the atrocities commited by the political mada****ds . i bow to babbar martyrs i am a hindu jat but u know there is no difference coz i follow guru sahib and a sikh at heart and would not fear to take up an AK-47 if the community is threatened.

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By: shallabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12511 shallabh Sun, 05 Jun 2005 07:40:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12511 <p>nofixedaddress u hear saradrjee jokes but u don't hear the baniya's image being demolished in songs and jokes .U.P> hindus and bihar hindus called bhaiyas and ridiculed upon.What u say?? Brother i was also there in 1984 noit in delhi but in sangrur. Sikh youts were missing were less killed by the "so called encounters " told by ajit singh bains president of the self established punjab human rights commisssion but were unemployed and were lured by the incentives and money given by the babbar khalsa.They went for training in pakistan money came from canadian sikhs( iam not saying all of them but some of them). Gurpreet veere i agree the problem on sikhs was the the sajjan-kumar was not prosecuted in the anti-sikh riots case totally agreed it inflamed sikh sentiments. Jai Hind</p> nofixedaddress u hear saradrjee jokes but u don’t hear the baniya’s image being demolished in songs and jokes .U.P> hindus and bihar hindus called bhaiyas and ridiculed upon.What u say?? Brother i was also there in 1984 noit in delhi but in sangrur. Sikh youts were missing were less killed by the “so called encounters ” told by ajit singh bains president of the self established punjab human rights commisssion but were unemployed and were lured by the incentives and money given by the babbar khalsa.They went for training in pakistan money came from canadian sikhs( iam not saying all of them but some of them). Gurpreet veere i agree the problem on sikhs was the the sajjan-kumar was not prosecuted in the anti-sikh riots case totally agreed it inflamed sikh sentiments. Jai Hind

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By: shallabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12408 shallabh Fri, 03 Jun 2005 19:33:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12408 <p>Amar Sir, Your points i'll answer very calmly but first please open your mind,open it don't close it by fanatic views .The things that you have been told by whosover i don't know but are distorted and wrong by my point of view veere.although i admit human rights atrocities were done but i tell u they were bare min. MAIN IK PUNJABI HINDU AAAN.I live in Punjab.I have seen the militancy if not the operation bluestar.I don't have anything against sikhs.My friends are sikhs,my family relatives are sikhs.I am not trying to prove that i ams so called secular.I want to tell India is multiethnic multicultural multi religious society built on these lines in from its history.When bhindrawala stood for congress first then turned against,same osama-u.s. connection, goes up to amritsar,ludhiana kills a hindu religious leader and a nirankaree leader and tells that we have proclaimed to build Khalistan,a sikh state what the bullshit.These people who stand ones own countryshould be butchered.I believe sikh riots were wrong totally with you,but i see it was best when these bastards like bhindrawala were killed.They were told to surrender first but they didn't.If they were so fearless why did they hid behind darbar sahib,Brother u don't know how these militants killed people by stopping buses and killing them .Have i as a hindu started hating sikhs,no because i beleive some assholes defame the society.The most imp. reason was also of economic the unemployement in punjab was on a high,and also green reveolution effect was over.The government failed on this front.And thse unemployed people were the real ground terrorists.Brother about amnesty international ask them what happens when sikhs are attacked in u.s and canada when their turbans are taken to be those resembling the muslims,espesially in the conservative states.Does anyone having a turban is attacked in india,anyone having a no moustache and a beard attacked in india,NOOOOO!! American presidents have all been white catholics,noone else see there history i'm not so sure about catholics though but heard it so if anyone can correct me. Brother Hindustan sab kaa hai hindus kaa sikhs kaa chrishtians kaa aur muslims kaa but till a point they don't break the communal harmony but sory to say it has happened so you can't blame the whole society u got to blame human,we,we make the society. Jai Hind</p> Amar Sir, Your points i’ll answer very calmly but first please open your mind,open it don’t close it by fanatic views .The things that you have been told by whosover i don’t know but are distorted and wrong by my point of view veere.although i admit human rights atrocities were done but i tell u they were bare min. MAIN IK PUNJABI HINDU AAAN.I live in Punjab.I have seen the militancy if not the operation bluestar.I don’t have anything against sikhs.My friends are sikhs,my family relatives are sikhs.I am not trying to prove that i ams so called secular.I want to tell India is multiethnic multicultural multi religious society built on these lines in from its history.When bhindrawala stood for congress first then turned against,same osama-u.s. connection, goes up to amritsar,ludhiana kills a hindu religious leader and a nirankaree leader and tells that we have proclaimed to build Khalistan,a sikh state what the bullshit.These people who stand ones own countryshould be butchered.I believe sikh riots were wrong totally with you,but i see it was best when these bastards like bhindrawala were killed.They were told to surrender first but they didn’t.If they were so fearless why did they hid behind darbar sahib,Brother u don’t know how these militants killed people by stopping buses and killing them .Have i as a hindu started hating sikhs,no because i beleive some assholes defame the society.The most imp. reason was also of economic the unemployement in punjab was on a high,and also green reveolution effect was over.The government failed on this front.And thse unemployed people were the real ground terrorists.Brother about amnesty international ask them what happens when sikhs are attacked in u.s and canada when their turbans are taken to be those resembling the muslims,espesially in the conservative states.Does anyone having a turban is attacked in india,anyone having a no moustache and a beard attacked in india,NOOOOO!! American presidents have all been white catholics,noone else see there history i’m not so sure about catholics though but heard it so if anyone can correct me. Brother Hindustan sab kaa hai hindus kaa sikhs kaa chrishtians kaa aur muslims kaa but till a point they don’t break the communal harmony but sory to say it has happened so you can’t blame the whole society u got to blame human,we,we make the society. Jai Hind

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12300 RC Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:37:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12300 <p>noFixedAddress and Gurpreet, I think based on your comments I think you should be appaled at the victimization of Palestanians. See they dont have rights to even enter areas that once belonged to them without getting checked. Israel will never have an Arab Chief of Army Staff too .. I think all can agree on that !! What about the so called oppression of the Indian state against Kashmiris. They should get their own state (using Pakistan's help) too.</p> noFixedAddress and Gurpreet, I think based on your comments I think you should be appaled at the victimization of Palestanians. See they dont have rights to even enter areas that once belonged to them without getting checked. Israel will never have an Arab Chief of Army Staff too .. I think all can agree on that !! What about the so called oppression of the Indian state against Kashmiris. They should get their own state (using Pakistan’s help) too.

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By: red snapper http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12284 red snapper Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:54:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12284 <p>Kumar</p> <p>You didnt demolish anything but the cookie you were holding in your hand. Keep fantasising. Your slithering shifty logic gives me the creeps, in conjuction with your fantasies of 'demolishing' my arguments, it make you an extremely comic and funny figure.</p> <p>;-)</p> Kumar

You didnt demolish anything but the cookie you were holding in your hand. Keep fantasising. Your slithering shifty logic gives me the creeps, in conjuction with your fantasies of ‘demolishing’ my arguments, it make you an extremely comic and funny figure.

;-)

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By: MC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12281 MC Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:57:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12281 <p>Two of the 4 bombers are Hindu... Vikas and JaganNath??? How in the world did two Hindu dudes become Khalastani militants?</p> Two of the 4 bombers are Hindu… Vikas and JaganNath??? How in the world did two Hindu dudes become Khalastani militants?

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By: cssw http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12267 cssw Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:45:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12267 <blockquote> but the whole Sikh PM thang wasn't the result of a popular vote...</blockquote> <p>Then again if the people weren't amenable to it there would be a hue and cry about that as well. At the end of the day I think people just want a person who they think will serve them (and in their view the nation) well. And I guess Manmohan Singh does have a good track record.</p> <p>Anyways I never got why Sikhs would want a separate state, when most Sikhs I have known have always come across as extremely patriotic <b>Indians</b>. So many of them serving the nation in the Armed forces and whatnot. Anyways hoping for better days for India.</p> but the whole Sikh PM thang wasn’t the result of a popular vote…

Then again if the people weren’t amenable to it there would be a hue and cry about that as well. At the end of the day I think people just want a person who they think will serve them (and in their view the nation) well. And I guess Manmohan Singh does have a good track record.

Anyways I never got why Sikhs would want a separate state, when most Sikhs I have known have always come across as extremely patriotic Indians. So many of them serving the nation in the Armed forces and whatnot. Anyways hoping for better days for India.

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By: Gurpreet http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12266 Gurpreet Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:35:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12266 <blockquote>The whole "Sikh minority and victim" thing doesnt hold up against reality. Reality is Sikh PM...</blockquote> <p>I'm not one to whine all that much about victimhood and such, but the whole Sikh PM thang wasn't the result of a popular vote. Manmohan Singh was installed as PM after Sonia Gandhi won the popular vote and then <a href="http://news.indiainfo.com/2005/05/17/1705sonia-pm.html">renounced the PM post</a> due to the outcry by Hindu nationalists. I wonder how it would've all played out had Manmohan Singh been on the ballot.</p> <blockquote>what more do they want ???</blockquote> <p>For one thing, they might <a href="http://web.mid-day.com/news/nation/2005/january/102587.htm">want the justice</a> that's been denied to them for the past 20 yrs.</p> The whole “Sikh minority and victim” thing doesnt hold up against reality. Reality is Sikh PM…

I’m not one to whine all that much about victimhood and such, but the whole Sikh PM thang wasn’t the result of a popular vote. Manmohan Singh was installed as PM after Sonia Gandhi won the popular vote and then renounced the PM post due to the outcry by Hindu nationalists. I wonder how it would’ve all played out had Manmohan Singh been on the ballot.

what more do they want ???

For one thing, they might want the justice that’s been denied to them for the past 20 yrs.

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By: noFixedadderess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/31/film_bomb_plot/comment-page-1/#comment-12264 noFixedadderess Thu, 02 Jun 2005 06:45:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1662#comment-12264 <p>Dear rc, The fact:-Indians were victims of British colonialism......just because you have Indians rising to top notch positions in Britain today doesnt take away from this fact. Similarly, at one point,in not too remote past,the Sikhs were victims of communal politics played by the Indian establishment...the fact we have a Sikh PM and Army Chief etc today cannot belie this fact....lol,we had a Sikh head of state for god sake when 1984 riots took place and the Indian state,by acts of commision or omission or both,connived to try and butcher an entire community....</p> <p>Sir,like millions of Indians,you are not communal but like millions of Indians,you get taken in by the lies and the propaganda of the Indian state.....kinda like how so many of Pakistanis i meet are pretty nice people but are just blinded by the anti-india propaganda of their establishment.....</p> <p>I know there are communities who have been meted out much more cruel treatment by their fellow beings(jews,the kurds,for that matter,the dalits in india).....I also know that most Indians probably do not have any malice/hatred towards Sikhs.....however,that does not mean that the riots of 1984 did not happen or there were not unimaginable excesses in Punjab against the Sikh youth during the days of militancy and that the state of India does nothing to prevent the constant barrage of communal slurs against the Sikhs in public life(the sardarji jokes in countless movies)....its the state of India which has to assume the responsibility for these things and it does not.......translate that into "Sikhs were victims of state tyranny".The fact.</p> <p>Clarifications 1.Have never and will never support any act of terror.... 2.No I am not a Sikh who was born out of India.I was in Delhi in 1984,then in Punjab during the heydays of militancy... 3.Its time we start making a distinction between Indian 'people' and the Indian 'state'.The 'state' at times has taken the 'people' for a ride (pretty much every state does).....I am sure many here would agree that we cannot equate the two.....</p> Dear rc, The fact:-Indians were victims of British colonialism……just because you have Indians rising to top notch positions in Britain today doesnt take away from this fact. Similarly, at one point,in not too remote past,the Sikhs were victims of communal politics played by the Indian establishment…the fact we have a Sikh PM and Army Chief etc today cannot belie this fact….lol,we had a Sikh head of state for god sake when 1984 riots took place and the Indian state,by acts of commision or omission or both,connived to try and butcher an entire community….

Sir,like millions of Indians,you are not communal but like millions of Indians,you get taken in by the lies and the propaganda of the Indian state…..kinda like how so many of Pakistanis i meet are pretty nice people but are just blinded by the anti-india propaganda of their establishment…..

I know there are communities who have been meted out much more cruel treatment by their fellow beings(jews,the kurds,for that matter,the dalits in india)…..I also know that most Indians probably do not have any malice/hatred towards Sikhs…..however,that does not mean that the riots of 1984 did not happen or there were not unimaginable excesses in Punjab against the Sikh youth during the days of militancy and that the state of India does nothing to prevent the constant barrage of communal slurs against the Sikhs in public life(the sardarji jokes in countless movies)….its the state of India which has to assume the responsibility for these things and it does not…….translate that into “Sikhs were victims of state tyranny”.The fact.

Clarifications 1.Have never and will never support any act of terror…. 2.No I am not a Sikh who was born out of India.I was in Delhi in 1984,then in Punjab during the heydays of militancy… 3.Its time we start making a distinction between Indian ‘people’ and the Indian ‘state’.The ‘state’ at times has taken the ‘people’ for a ride (pretty much every state does)…..I am sure many here would agree that we cannot equate the two…..

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