Comments on: Squeezing “the white guy” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Fahim http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-2/#comment-204607 Fahim Fri, 30 May 2008 00:53:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-204607 <p>First of all, Asians are not the richest people in America. But they represent the majority of the upper class. Americans dominate the Forbes 400. That's a fact. I find any repeated comments regarding South Asians being the richest people as racial profiling against the Asian community. They are the upper class group but definitely not the richest. In my opinion bragging that Asians will dominate the white man's nation is racial profiling but there is a probability it will happen. The point is not to say it more than enough times as it does feel like racial profiling because the other people who in this case are most of the public, feel that they get the point and makes the media look dumb in the eyes of most public anyway. The issue is that the media doesn't quit on their quest thereby causing the Whites to become racists and listen to media's Charismatic leaders who are not leading but in my view are misleading the public. However, the way it's going, it does seem like Asia is going to rule the world one day because of their pluralism. That's just a probability and may not be the case. And even if it does happen, it doesn't make Asians the bad people because you Americans are not racist in your view anyways and most other cultures have more pluralism. Don't forget it's not our fault if we become the richest or win in the future because it's the American Dream. Work hard and believe in yourself.</p> First of all, Asians are not the richest people in America. But they represent the majority of the upper class. Americans dominate the Forbes 400. That’s a fact. I find any repeated comments regarding South Asians being the richest people as racial profiling against the Asian community. They are the upper class group but definitely not the richest. In my opinion bragging that Asians will dominate the white man’s nation is racial profiling but there is a probability it will happen. The point is not to say it more than enough times as it does feel like racial profiling because the other people who in this case are most of the public, feel that they get the point and makes the media look dumb in the eyes of most public anyway. The issue is that the media doesn’t quit on their quest thereby causing the Whites to become racists and listen to media’s Charismatic leaders who are not leading but in my view are misleading the public. However, the way it’s going, it does seem like Asia is going to rule the world one day because of their pluralism. That’s just a probability and may not be the case. And even if it does happen, it doesn’t make Asians the bad people because you Americans are not racist in your view anyways and most other cultures have more pluralism. Don’t forget it’s not our fault if we become the richest or win in the future because it’s the American Dream. Work hard and believe in yourself.

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By: Joel Elrod http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-2/#comment-41091 Joel Elrod Wed, 11 Jan 2006 05:37:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-41091 <p>For the record: I am very sorry to offend anyone with this piece This is not one of my favorite pieces by any means. I did have quite a bit of art direction that was being passed around from Art Directors to Editors. I personally did not like the concept and I would have been more honest if I could have on this one. Making it a little more obvious that there has been more of a squeeze on many countries from the corporations that live and were founded in America.</p> <p>I worked with Newsweek again on an Asian Credit Union article and found that to be much more successful. I like the illustration very much and will stand by it. Hopefully it will be viewed as a positive representation of China's Growing dominance in the global market place. I am not racist nor did I intend on having the piece look this way. However, I agree it does look that way and there should have been a better illustration/concept. all apologies. - Joel</p> For the record: I am very sorry to offend anyone with this piece This is not one of my favorite pieces by any means. I did have quite a bit of art direction that was being passed around from Art Directors to Editors. I personally did not like the concept and I would have been more honest if I could have on this one. Making it a little more obvious that there has been more of a squeeze on many countries from the corporations that live and were founded in America.

I worked with Newsweek again on an Asian Credit Union article and found that to be much more successful. I like the illustration very much and will stand by it. Hopefully it will be viewed as a positive representation of China’s Growing dominance in the global market place. I am not racist nor did I intend on having the piece look this way. However, I agree it does look that way and there should have been a better illustration/concept. all apologies. – Joel

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By: small freaking world http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11961 small freaking world Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11961 <p>Bloody hell. I was really good friends with Joel when I lived in SF a couple of years ago, but haven't kept up with him since I left. I assure you he ain't xenophobic (plus he lurves Karsh Kale, Cheb i Sabbah and other Asian Massive music -- I was with him at the Tabla Beat Science show at the Fillmore), although I can't explain the illustration. He usually tends to the surreal and inexplicable. I'm gonna assume it was a commission.</p> Bloody hell. I was really good friends with Joel when I lived in SF a couple of years ago, but haven’t kept up with him since I left. I assure you he ain’t xenophobic (plus he lurves Karsh Kale, Cheb i Sabbah and other Asian Massive music — I was with him at the Tabla Beat Science show at the Fillmore), although I can’t explain the illustration. He usually tends to the surreal and inexplicable. I’m gonna assume it was a commission.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11898 RC Thu, 26 May 2005 16:55:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11898 <p>Aten & TTG,</p> <p>Its simple math. 1 billion Indian -- 60% literate (this is generous assumption) = 600 million.</p> <p>According to my assumption college accesibility in India is about 15% (for those who count in educated) and if you want "English education" than it drops to about 5%.</p> <p>5% of 600 million = 30 million</p> <p>US population = 300 million US literacy rate 92% = 276 million Even if you consider 15% college availability</p> <p>15% of 276 million = 41.4 million</p> <p>there you have it.... by making education in English India can never compete.</p> Aten & TTG,

Its simple math. 1 billion Indian — 60% literate (this is generous assumption) = 600 million.

According to my assumption college accesibility in India is about 15% (for those who count in educated) and if you want “English education” than it drops to about 5%.

5% of 600 million = 30 million

US population = 300 million US literacy rate 92% = 276 million Even if you consider 15% college availability

15% of 276 million = 41.4 million

there you have it…. by making education in English India can never compete.

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By: Laks http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11893 Laks Thu, 26 May 2005 16:07:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11893 <p>The main issue here is neither the main idea nor its contents. It's the instant message the cartoon sends out its readers (in this case, European middle class). Also, I am sure that if this article is published in the U.S. edition, it will be without the cartoon (can someone verify this??), since American society is much more multicultural and multiethnic than Europe (especially Continental Europe). IMO, hate crimes by right-wing groups are far more prevalent in Europe.</p> <p>Earlier, Newsweek relased an article criticizing the 'American Dream' in all the editions. The European and Japanese edition coverpage showed the U.S. flag on a trash can. But it was absent in the U.S. edition. http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/05/newsweek-america-is-dead.html</p> The main issue here is neither the main idea nor its contents. It’s the instant message the cartoon sends out its readers (in this case, European middle class). Also, I am sure that if this article is published in the U.S. edition, it will be without the cartoon (can someone verify this??), since American society is much more multicultural and multiethnic than Europe (especially Continental Europe). IMO, hate crimes by right-wing groups are far more prevalent in Europe.

Earlier, Newsweek relased an article criticizing the ‘American Dream’ in all the editions. The European and Japanese edition coverpage showed the U.S. flag on a trash can. But it was absent in the U.S. edition. http://ridingsun.blogspot.com/2005/05/newsweek-america-is-dead.html

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By: Joe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11889 Joe Thu, 26 May 2005 15:49:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11889 <p>thanks for the info mocho...ill give you that a race heirarchy thing exists...but that doesn't deny the fact that cartoon sometimes have to utilize stereotypes to depict races/countries/ethnicities like you so stated earlier..i dont see the cartoon using the concept of racial heirarchy is what im saying..the yellow man and the brown are depicted at equal size and the white man is dimunitive... people should be able to use inoffensive stereotypes to quickly depict the larger group....i do agree the premise of this article is somewhat narrow-minded, and that outsourcing in the long run helps the american economy rather than hurts it...but the premise that india and china are strong competitors and jobs that American could have had are being shipped off to them is not in itself wrong...i know the average reader will not anyalyze the protectionist undertones of the cartoon or the article, but that does not make the protectionist viewpoint racist or negate the facts that support such a viewpoint.</p> thanks for the info mocho…ill give you that a race heirarchy thing exists…but that doesn’t deny the fact that cartoon sometimes have to utilize stereotypes to depict races/countries/ethnicities like you so stated earlier..i dont see the cartoon using the concept of racial heirarchy is what im saying..the yellow man and the brown are depicted at equal size and the white man is dimunitive… people should be able to use inoffensive stereotypes to quickly depict the larger group….i do agree the premise of this article is somewhat narrow-minded, and that outsourcing in the long run helps the american economy rather than hurts it…but the premise that india and china are strong competitors and jobs that American could have had are being shipped off to them is not in itself wrong…i know the average reader will not anyalyze the protectionist undertones of the cartoon or the article, but that does not make the protectionist viewpoint racist or negate the facts that support such a viewpoint.

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By: mocho http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11872 mocho Thu, 26 May 2005 12:51:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11872 <p>I find it very difficult to consider this illustration particularly racist.</p> <p>It clearly describes the content of the article and the artist has used quite simple and obvious symbols to identify each protagonist - the Chinese man has yellow skin and a red background (for communism/Chinese flag) and the Indian is not only brown but to differentiate from other S.Asians (all brown) he has a bindi. He could have had eight arms for that matter or many heads or a turban - all symbols that people identify with India.</p> <p>The background is yellow as there is yellow/saffron in the Indian flag and it contrasts well with the red and brown, had it been green it could've indicated Islam/Pakistan/Bangladesh.</p> <p>The illustrator has to make use of the cultural/political symbols to get the message across very quickly. Why these symbols exist and their veracity is another question altogether and these are not necessarily racist.</p> <p>Joe - there really isn't anything to refute in what you have to say - yes Chinese have various shades of yellow skin, S.Asians various shades of brown &etc &act. Brilliant, you win!</p> <p>However, as to being not aware that there is a racial hierarchy based on skin colour - understood and adhered to for various economic, cultural and racist reasons, then here is a basic and very touching introduction: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1046035,00.html - and that again is a very different matter altogether.</p> I find it very difficult to consider this illustration particularly racist.

It clearly describes the content of the article and the artist has used quite simple and obvious symbols to identify each protagonist – the Chinese man has yellow skin and a red background (for communism/Chinese flag) and the Indian is not only brown but to differentiate from other S.Asians (all brown) he has a bindi. He could have had eight arms for that matter or many heads or a turban – all symbols that people identify with India.

The background is yellow as there is yellow/saffron in the Indian flag and it contrasts well with the red and brown, had it been green it could’ve indicated Islam/Pakistan/Bangladesh.

The illustrator has to make use of the cultural/political symbols to get the message across very quickly. Why these symbols exist and their veracity is another question altogether and these are not necessarily racist.

Joe – there really isn’t anything to refute in what you have to say – yes Chinese have various shades of yellow skin, S.Asians various shades of brown &etc &act. Brilliant, you win!

However, as to being not aware that there is a racial hierarchy based on skin colour – understood and adhered to for various economic, cultural and racist reasons, then here is a basic and very touching introduction: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1046035,00.html – and that again is a very different matter altogether.

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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11856 GujuDude Thu, 26 May 2005 08:26:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11856 <p>Where's the racism people?</p> <ul> <li>Not necessarily racism in my book, but definitely misrepresenting the facts. The squeeze is on the traditional 'safe' white collar jobs. Not white americans only. Representing the United States as the 'white man' is where this cartoon is incorrect.</li> </ul> <p>Plenty of my brown friends got laid off in the downturn of 2002. Not just white guys. Most of the layoffs in the economy did not even have to do with outsourcing. It is just that outsourcing is a convinient culprit to blame.</p> <p>Also the idea that jobs are 'stolen' is probably the biggest oxymoron in a culture that considers capitalism its bread and butter. Jobs are delegated, not stolen. Stealing a job means one has ownership over it, which is not the truth. This idea that your 'entitled' job is not yours anymore is what scares people who are not prepared.</p> <p>This is no different that the scare in the 80s when people were running around thinking Japan was taking over everything.</p> <p>Just more reactionary journalism that fails to explain or comprehend the fundamentals of economics. Folks like Lou Dobbs who harps on about how India and China are stealing America's wealth are misguided and frankly dumb. This cartoon only perpetuates the myth.</p> Where’s the racism people?

  • Not necessarily racism in my book, but definitely misrepresenting the facts. The squeeze is on the traditional ‘safe’ white collar jobs. Not white americans only. Representing the United States as the ‘white man’ is where this cartoon is incorrect.

Plenty of my brown friends got laid off in the downturn of 2002. Not just white guys. Most of the layoffs in the economy did not even have to do with outsourcing. It is just that outsourcing is a convinient culprit to blame.

Also the idea that jobs are ‘stolen’ is probably the biggest oxymoron in a culture that considers capitalism its bread and butter. Jobs are delegated, not stolen. Stealing a job means one has ownership over it, which is not the truth. This idea that your ‘entitled’ job is not yours anymore is what scares people who are not prepared.

This is no different that the scare in the 80s when people were running around thinking Japan was taking over everything.

Just more reactionary journalism that fails to explain or comprehend the fundamentals of economics. Folks like Lou Dobbs who harps on about how India and China are stealing America’s wealth are misguided and frankly dumb. This cartoon only perpetuates the myth.

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By: Vanaja http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11855 Vanaja Thu, 26 May 2005 08:18:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11855 <p>Reminds me of the article by George Monbiot in The Guardian who had an <em>entirely </em> different view point....</p> <blockquote><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1067344,00.html">The jobs Britain stole from the Asian subcontinent 200 years ago are now being returned </a></blockquote> Reminds me of the article by George Monbiot in The Guardian who had an entirely different view point….

The jobs Britain stole from the Asian subcontinent 200 years ago are now being returned
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By: Joe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/05/25/squeezing_the_w/comment-page-1/#comment-11852 Joe Thu, 26 May 2005 07:58:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1632#comment-11852 <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_skin_hue_equi.png">Asians are yellower peoples...</a></p> <p>I didn't know there was a race heirarchy of colors based on the "White Oppressor's" color scheme. Maybe theyre trying to call all East Asians cowards because yellow is symbolic of cowardice, or maybe E. Asians just wanna be friends. If someone called you brown and it hurt you b/c of the white man's derogatory subtext behind that word, it doesn't change the fact your skin is browner than Scandinavians and the same w/ E. Asians who are yellower than the pure, good white man. Obviously its a simplistic and generalized classification, but I am saying that b/c the chinese man is depicted as a yellow skinned individual is not in itself patently oppressive or offensive, imho.</p> <p>Vurd...ok you don't have to concede my points about whites' 'ownership', but i feel in the sense i stated above its true and you havent stated anything to the contrary.</p> <p>Secondly, I agree with you the red dot is ignorance on the part of the artist, and is somewhat questionable. But, other than that, I don't find anything racist re this cartoon and i don't think the artist was trying to be racist about it, just incorrectly trying to identify the brown man as Indian.</p> <p>This cartoon is using a yellow skinned person and a brown skinned person to symbolize China and India; these two giants of the third world are putting the squeeze on America (represented by a diminshed white man). Where's the racism people?</p> Asians are yellower peoples…

I didn’t know there was a race heirarchy of colors based on the “White Oppressor’s” color scheme. Maybe theyre trying to call all East Asians cowards because yellow is symbolic of cowardice, or maybe E. Asians just wanna be friends. If someone called you brown and it hurt you b/c of the white man’s derogatory subtext behind that word, it doesn’t change the fact your skin is browner than Scandinavians and the same w/ E. Asians who are yellower than the pure, good white man. Obviously its a simplistic and generalized classification, but I am saying that b/c the chinese man is depicted as a yellow skinned individual is not in itself patently oppressive or offensive, imho.

Vurd…ok you don’t have to concede my points about whites’ ‘ownership’, but i feel in the sense i stated above its true and you havent stated anything to the contrary.

Secondly, I agree with you the red dot is ignorance on the part of the artist, and is somewhat questionable. But, other than that, I don’t find anything racist re this cartoon and i don’t think the artist was trying to be racist about it, just incorrectly trying to identify the brown man as Indian.

This cartoon is using a yellow skinned person and a brown skinned person to symbolize China and India; these two giants of the third world are putting the squeeze on America (represented by a diminshed white man). Where’s the racism people?

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