Comments on: Irshad Manji has plenty of enemies http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-286100 Varun Shekhar Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:44:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-286100 <p>What we should criticise Manji is her total absence of references to Hindus and Hinduism, very strange considering her ancestral roots are there. Hindus are never favourably contrasted with Moslems, despite Hindus having been discriminated against and killed or expelled in Islamic majority countries. This is a major gap in Manji's public comments and observations.</p> What we should criticise Manji is her total absence of references to Hindus and Hinduism, very strange considering her ancestral roots are there. Hindus are never favourably contrasted with Moslems, despite Hindus having been discriminated against and killed or expelled in Islamic majority countries. This is a major gap in Manji’s public comments and observations.

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By: Pravin Praveen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-286098 Pravin Praveen Tue, 23 Aug 2011 06:37:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-286098 <p>Hell, I can't blame her for capitalizing on her viewpoints. I am no expert and if someone offered to pay me money for my views I express on sepiamutiny, maybe I would jump at those offers too.</p> <p>I do confess that I find her really annoying in her demeanor on Maher's show. She interrupts others way too much, talks too frenetically, has that Marcy of Married With Children chicken hair cut. And she is looked upon as some kind of expert when she isn't. Is she a dumbass? Not really. Her shilling for the iraq war makes me question her insight. Of course, most of us think it would be nice to get rid of Saddam . That has no major bearing on the US"s decision to go there.</p> Hell, I can’t blame her for capitalizing on her viewpoints. I am no expert and if someone offered to pay me money for my views I express on sepiamutiny, maybe I would jump at those offers too.

I do confess that I find her really annoying in her demeanor on Maher’s show. She interrupts others way too much, talks too frenetically, has that Marcy of Married With Children chicken hair cut. And she is looked upon as some kind of expert when she isn’t. Is she a dumbass? Not really. Her shilling for the iraq war makes me question her insight. Of course, most of us think it would be nice to get rid of Saddam . That has no major bearing on the US”s decision to go there.

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By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-286096 Varun Shekhar Tue, 23 Aug 2011 05:51:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-286096 <p>Let's at least show some respect to Irshad Manji- the lady is under threat from Islamists. She needs bodyguards wherever she goes. Many of the anti-Manji comments here are whitewashing that reality. Incidentally, there is no comparable person in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism or Zoroastrianism, that requires constant protection because of critical remarks made about the religion.</p> Let’s at least show some respect to Irshad Manji- the lady is under threat from Islamists. She needs bodyguards wherever she goes. Many of the anti-Manji comments here are whitewashing that reality. Incidentally, there is no comparable person in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism or Zoroastrianism, that requires constant protection because of critical remarks made about the religion.

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By: Sameena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-1/#comment-286095 Sameena Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:47:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-286095 <p>Anand, I love that phrase "auntie tom"!</p> Anand, I love that phrase “auntie tom”!

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By: Jack Auff http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-277957 Jack Auff Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:19:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-277957 <p>And that monthly deposit of cash into her Luxembourg banking account by her MOSSAD sayanim helps cover the cries of the millions of Arabs we've murdered based on a Big Pack of Lies?</p> <p>But first, one must have a conscience.</p> And that monthly deposit of cash into her Luxembourg banking account by her MOSSAD sayanim helps cover the cries of the millions of Arabs we’ve murdered based on a Big Pack of Lies?

But first, one must have a conscience.

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By: Nirmal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-250344 Nirmal Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:07:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-250344 <p>I know sum1 who is half desi half Arab. Great mix. He's a great person.very respectful. If we gotta mix, it should be with more Arab lok -they r closer to our culture n have more respect for our ways than the west.</p> I know sum1 who is half desi half Arab. Great mix. He’s a great person.very respectful. If we gotta mix, it should be with more Arab lok -they r closer to our culture n have more respect for our ways than the west.

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By: asma siddiqua sayed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-223677 asma siddiqua sayed Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:10:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-223677 <p>I read the comments to your post with a lot of interest. I come from a fairly conservative religious Indian Muslim family. But that had never stopped my grandmothers and grandfathers from both sides of my family (my parents are from completely different backgrounds and cities) to have been schooled and university educated. At the same time, we followed quite strictly our religion. And when I look at people like Irshad Manji, I am shocked, because that is in no way the Islam I know and the islam that my ancestors have been following. Wife-beating, atrocities on women etc, are not because of Islam. Its common knowledge that men exert their physical strength on women and abuse them. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs. If a Hindu or a Christian man tortures his wife, why isn't that behaviour attributed to be because of a flaw in his religion. Is there any verse/scriptire in those religions saying that women should not be abused ? I doubt.</p> <p>I can understand the media's craze with giving bad press to Islam after terrorism. But there are many many families like mine where women have been highly educated because it was Prophet Muhammed 's (pbuh) instruction to educate women. The trouble is that a large majority of the Muslim population around the world is poor. Very poor. They have no access to any kind of opportunity that would lift them out of their poverty and achieve greater heights. Wife beating is one of the worst crimes but one that is not sanctioned in islam. These are very typical of cultural behaviour. Its ingrained in human society.</p> <p>Covering heads is not an oppressive thing. Allah instructs women to wear outer garments when we venture out of our homes so that we may not be molested. I'm a girl and I have seen the difference when I cover my head, and when I don't. I feel safer because there are fewer comments passed on me on the road, and not many would dare to touch you. Maybe they keep away because I look visibly Muslim, but I would prefer to be safe. The fact is that the world is not safe for women, and there is nothing wrong in Muslim women protecting ourselves. If someone would argue that women are raped in Muslim countries, its because of the man who is the kind of vile man he is, not because of Islam. If he were to follow even a bit of islam, he would know that it is not permissible to even touch a strange woman or look at her lewdly. All I can say is that I am very disappaointed by the kind of image Irshad Manji and her ilk portray of Islam. I agree that there is a lot of more freedom and a better life outside Muslim countries, and its a very sad fact, and one I feel owes to its origins in political Islam and religious fanaticism.</p> <p>I don't know why the article mentioned her spiked hair. Is that a sign of secularism and modernism ? Islam isn't against women stylign their hair. Lots of practicing Muslim women I know have spiked highlighted hair though it never shows under their scarves. I don't know why she came out with a book on Islam when in all probability she has based her claims on lives of Muslim families she has only seen and experienced from afar. There is always a point in your life where you struggle with your religion, but that does not mean, you go and criticize a religion which you haven't followed or even tried to follow. She was an Ismaili Muslim (not currently an Ismaili as I have read), a sect of Shia Islam who follow Islam in a very different manner, as in, not exactly from the Quran. You cannot take an example of the actions of a few Muslims and say that they represent Islam.</p> I read the comments to your post with a lot of interest. I come from a fairly conservative religious Indian Muslim family. But that had never stopped my grandmothers and grandfathers from both sides of my family (my parents are from completely different backgrounds and cities) to have been schooled and university educated. At the same time, we followed quite strictly our religion. And when I look at people like Irshad Manji, I am shocked, because that is in no way the Islam I know and the islam that my ancestors have been following. Wife-beating, atrocities on women etc, are not because of Islam. Its common knowledge that men exert their physical strength on women and abuse them. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs. If a Hindu or a Christian man tortures his wife, why isn’t that behaviour attributed to be because of a flaw in his religion. Is there any verse/scriptire in those religions saying that women should not be abused ? I doubt.

I can understand the media’s craze with giving bad press to Islam after terrorism. But there are many many families like mine where women have been highly educated because it was Prophet Muhammed ‘s (pbuh) instruction to educate women. The trouble is that a large majority of the Muslim population around the world is poor. Very poor. They have no access to any kind of opportunity that would lift them out of their poverty and achieve greater heights. Wife beating is one of the worst crimes but one that is not sanctioned in islam. These are very typical of cultural behaviour. Its ingrained in human society.

Covering heads is not an oppressive thing. Allah instructs women to wear outer garments when we venture out of our homes so that we may not be molested. I’m a girl and I have seen the difference when I cover my head, and when I don’t. I feel safer because there are fewer comments passed on me on the road, and not many would dare to touch you. Maybe they keep away because I look visibly Muslim, but I would prefer to be safe. The fact is that the world is not safe for women, and there is nothing wrong in Muslim women protecting ourselves. If someone would argue that women are raped in Muslim countries, its because of the man who is the kind of vile man he is, not because of Islam. If he were to follow even a bit of islam, he would know that it is not permissible to even touch a strange woman or look at her lewdly. All I can say is that I am very disappaointed by the kind of image Irshad Manji and her ilk portray of Islam. I agree that there is a lot of more freedom and a better life outside Muslim countries, and its a very sad fact, and one I feel owes to its origins in political Islam and religious fanaticism.

I don’t know why the article mentioned her spiked hair. Is that a sign of secularism and modernism ? Islam isn’t against women stylign their hair. Lots of practicing Muslim women I know have spiked highlighted hair though it never shows under their scarves. I don’t know why she came out with a book on Islam when in all probability she has based her claims on lives of Muslim families she has only seen and experienced from afar. There is always a point in your life where you struggle with your religion, but that does not mean, you go and criticize a religion which you haven’t followed or even tried to follow. She was an Ismaili Muslim (not currently an Ismaili as I have read), a sect of Shia Islam who follow Islam in a very different manner, as in, not exactly from the Quran. You cannot take an example of the actions of a few Muslims and say that they represent Islam.

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By: Eesa Abdullah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-221246 Eesa Abdullah Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:51:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-221246 <p>This article is so unprofessional and disgusting that not even the name of the alleged 'professor' who were are, I guess, meant to assume is a pious Muslim, is not even given.</p> <p>You crooked women should be ashamed of yourselves.</p> This article is so unprofessional and disgusting that not even the name of the alleged ‘professor’ who were are, I guess, meant to assume is a pious Muslim, is not even given.

You crooked women should be ashamed of yourselves.

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By: heavenlyspot http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-216969 heavenlyspot Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:16:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-216969 <p><b><a href="http://dorfsnack.blogspot.com">John Coelho</a></b> <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/001450.html#comment181906">said</a></p> <blockquote>Irshad is a heroine to me and millions. She is brave beyond belief. And, above all, she is a truth teller. Without truth we all perish. </blockquote> <p><b>Thats true, humanity is doomed to perish without truth, but much to our dismay, she isn't being truthful. Infact, there are many Muslims who openly condemn extremism and violence in every form, however, she goes a step further to justify US invasions in the Middle East. </b></p> <p><b>It may be difficult for you to comprehend this situation, because you're not Muslim, but when an individual supports the killing of innocent civilians whom are his/her people, it can be difficult for the rest of us to support that individual. </b></p> John Coelho said

Irshad is a heroine to me and millions. She is brave beyond belief. And, above all, she is a truth teller. Without truth we all perish.

Thats true, humanity is doomed to perish without truth, but much to our dismay, she isn’t being truthful. Infact, there are many Muslims who openly condemn extremism and violence in every form, however, she goes a step further to justify US invasions in the Middle East.

It may be difficult for you to comprehend this situation, because you’re not Muslim, but when an individual supports the killing of innocent civilians whom are his/her people, it can be difficult for the rest of us to support that individual.

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By: Unimpressed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/04/30/irshad_manji_ha/comment-page-2/#comment-215544 Unimpressed Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:30:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1450#comment-215544 <p>"Human" and other supporters of Irshad are only fooling and exposing themselves as the narrow minded morons that they are by supporting a charlatan like Irshad Manji. Brave? Courageous? By repeating the same old Zionist bullshit line we've been hearing in the West for decades? By supporting the war in Iraq? By supporting Israeli terrorism and occupation against the Palestinian people? By supporting Yankee terrorism all over the world? Thats not courage, its called being a sycophant. Now we find it she was NEVER a Muslim, but a non-practicing Ismaili who got into the religion reformation racket post 9/11....and look who's made millions since. "Human," you're a shallow minded hypocrite and liar...and deep down you know it.</p> “Human” and other supporters of Irshad are only fooling and exposing themselves as the narrow minded morons that they are by supporting a charlatan like Irshad Manji. Brave? Courageous? By repeating the same old Zionist bullshit line we’ve been hearing in the West for decades? By supporting the war in Iraq? By supporting Israeli terrorism and occupation against the Palestinian people? By supporting Yankee terrorism all over the world? Thats not courage, its called being a sycophant. Now we find it she was NEVER a Muslim, but a non-practicing Ismaili who got into the religion reformation racket post 9/11….and look who’s made millions since. “Human,” you’re a shallow minded hypocrite and liar…and deep down you know it.

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