Comments on: “This Moment” viewable online http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: What a Geddhe is Anonymous? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-6994 What a Geddhe is Anonymous? Tue, 05 Apr 2005 18:25:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-6994 <p>What made you come to india. Have you checked the stats at home of almost the same offenses. Go home and help the people out. People like you are just postules of civil decay, that is utterly useless to society.</p> <p>Just from the way you use stats, let us look at yourself:</p> <p>You fit the profile of a loaner Had a lot of dreams in life but never could achieve anything. Miserable and angry all the time Likes to give advice to others Pretend to know, even at times when you are not sure</p> <p>If you were to write down for a week the things that you do and the thoughts that you have and check it against common behaviousr of disfunctional patients, please post your fidings. You may finally become useful atleast as an example of a deranged hippo.</p> What made you come to india. Have you checked the stats at home of almost the same offenses. Go home and help the people out. People like you are just postules of civil decay, that is utterly useless to society.

Just from the way you use stats, let us look at yourself:

You fit the profile of a loaner Had a lot of dreams in life but never could achieve anything. Miserable and angry all the time Likes to give advice to others Pretend to know, even at times when you are not sure

If you were to write down for a week the things that you do and the thoughts that you have and check it against common behaviousr of disfunctional patients, please post your fidings. You may finally become useful atleast as an example of a deranged hippo.

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By: Prem http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4479 Prem Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:49:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4479 <p>As one of the producers of the film I can't say how pleased i am with ANONY's comments. Dude, can I have your address so I can put you on the payroll? I wish i had thought about fabricating your identy just to creat controversy. But I have better things to do ...</p> <p>Seriously man, did your mom never let you play outside b/c you were too busy making dosas?</p> <p>Have your opinions but try to get outside and see the real real world.</p> As one of the producers of the film I can’t say how pleased i am with ANONY’s comments. Dude, can I have your address so I can put you on the payroll? I wish i had thought about fabricating your identy just to creat controversy. But I have better things to do …

Seriously man, did your mom never let you play outside b/c you were too busy making dosas?

Have your opinions but try to get outside and see the real real world.

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By: sd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4475 sd Tue, 01 Mar 2005 06:40:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4475 <p>"... No father in his right mind wants his daughter to wed a criminal, an unemployed guy, a male with AIDS, or a man who's going to leave her. No father in his right mind wants his daughter to wed someone who's more likely to be all of those things than the alternative."</p> <p>Yes, Anony, and I think it's safe to say that no father in his right mind would want his daughter to wed you either.</p> <p>(by the way: If one more person responds to Anony without asking him to quote the source of his statistics, I will marry a Black Lab just to spite the conversation)</p> “… No father in his right mind wants his daughter to wed a criminal, an unemployed guy, a male with AIDS, or a man who’s going to leave her. No father in his right mind wants his daughter to wed someone who’s more likely to be all of those things than the alternative.”

Yes, Anony, and I think it’s safe to say that no father in his right mind would want his daughter to wed you either.

(by the way: If one more person responds to Anony without asking him to quote the source of his statistics, I will marry a Black Lab just to spite the conversation)

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By: cunniLinuXXX http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4473 cunniLinuXXX Tue, 01 Mar 2005 04:50:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4473 <p>I'm an Indian guy that lives in Washington DC which is a majority black city. It's also the city with the richest and most successful black communities in the country. Its quite common to come across upwardly mobile Black yuppies in this area. I know 2 or 3 of them either married or involved with Indian women. Most of the black guys involved with Indian women I know can move around in "white society" and don't have to act "gangsta" or "ghetto" and still be who they are. They're generally appreciative of Indian culture (one of them can even a sing some of the lyrics from hindi songs that his Indian wife still watches, imagine that....) In this particuler movie the black guy's attitude toward Indian culture (it hasn't evolved, insensitive to vegetarianism which is an actual religious/sprititual thing not just cultural, etc.) is very unrealistic and doesn't jive with my personal observations. Most non-Indian men involved with Indian women at the very least appreciate Indian cuisine and Indian culture and wouldn't put it down the way he did. She should've told him to fuck off after that "bullshit Indian culture" comment.</p> <p>With the respect to the statistic that ANON doles out about the chances of a black men bringing down an Indian woman into drugs/violence/etc.. You fail to give some credit to the Indian women involved with them. Afterall, they have their own judgement and can make their own decisions. Anyone that allows themselves to get pulled into drugs/violence/etc. by someone else whomever they may be Indian or not, is making those choices for themselves too. They are not being made to do it by someone else and should be held responsible for they're own condition.</p> <p>To be honest, most of the Indian women I've met that are involved with non-Indian men have made pretty good choices in the men they've settled down with. Its hard to say that they would be happier or better off if they had just settled down with an Indian guy since the guys they are with are pretty decent and well, treat them the way they should be treated.</p> <p>Of course, as an Indian guy myself there is always that pang of "damn! what a loss" when you see an Indian girl with a non-Indian. But to be honest that only happens when the Indian girl is hot and I'm attracted to her (the desi chick in this film was HOT and I was attracted to her <em>PANG</em>! There goes another..). But, if I don't think she's that good looking and I'm pretty indifferent to her, it doesn't seem to matter as much......</p> <p>The flip side is that I was born and raised in New Jersey in a town with a large Indian community. Because its so large you have people of all different backgrounds. A lot of working class folks mixed with professionals. If you go to places like Jersey City, Queens or Brooklyn there is even more of Indian working class element. Needless to say , amongst all the South Asian overachieving, Ivy-league seeking, perfect little model minority dittoheads there are a lot of desis that act "ghetto" or "gangsta", indulge in drugs/violence and some treat their (Indian) women like shit. No, there's not a lot of them - at least not enough to create another stereotype about Indians - but they are there too and I'm sure many of you have across them at some point.</p> I’m an Indian guy that lives in Washington DC which is a majority black city. It’s also the city with the richest and most successful black communities in the country. Its quite common to come across upwardly mobile Black yuppies in this area. I know 2 or 3 of them either married or involved with Indian women. Most of the black guys involved with Indian women I know can move around in “white society” and don’t have to act “gangsta” or “ghetto” and still be who they are. They’re generally appreciative of Indian culture (one of them can even a sing some of the lyrics from hindi songs that his Indian wife still watches, imagine that….) In this particuler movie the black guy’s attitude toward Indian culture (it hasn’t evolved, insensitive to vegetarianism which is an actual religious/sprititual thing not just cultural, etc.) is very unrealistic and doesn’t jive with my personal observations. Most non-Indian men involved with Indian women at the very least appreciate Indian cuisine and Indian culture and wouldn’t put it down the way he did. She should’ve told him to fuck off after that “bullshit Indian culture” comment.

With the respect to the statistic that ANON doles out about the chances of a black men bringing down an Indian woman into drugs/violence/etc.. You fail to give some credit to the Indian women involved with them. Afterall, they have their own judgement and can make their own decisions. Anyone that allows themselves to get pulled into drugs/violence/etc. by someone else whomever they may be Indian or not, is making those choices for themselves too. They are not being made to do it by someone else and should be held responsible for they’re own condition.

To be honest, most of the Indian women I’ve met that are involved with non-Indian men have made pretty good choices in the men they’ve settled down with. Its hard to say that they would be happier or better off if they had just settled down with an Indian guy since the guys they are with are pretty decent and well, treat them the way they should be treated.

Of course, as an Indian guy myself there is always that pang of “damn! what a loss” when you see an Indian girl with a non-Indian. But to be honest that only happens when the Indian girl is hot and I’m attracted to her (the desi chick in this film was HOT and I was attracted to her PANG! There goes another..). But, if I don’t think she’s that good looking and I’m pretty indifferent to her, it doesn’t seem to matter as much……

The flip side is that I was born and raised in New Jersey in a town with a large Indian community. Because its so large you have people of all different backgrounds. A lot of working class folks mixed with professionals. If you go to places like Jersey City, Queens or Brooklyn there is even more of Indian working class element. Needless to say , amongst all the South Asian overachieving, Ivy-league seeking, perfect little model minority dittoheads there are a lot of desis that act “ghetto” or “gangsta”, indulge in drugs/violence and some treat their (Indian) women like shit. No, there’s not a lot of them – at least not enough to create another stereotype about Indians – but they are there too and I’m sure many of you have across them at some point.

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By: Anupa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4467 Anupa Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:14:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4467 <p>i'm not going to bother answering your little true or false quiz.</p> <p>you can look at the stats all you want, and that is why i said "even if they may be true".</p> <p>you never addressed the fact that there are exceptions. why can't you admit that? or does every thing have to be based on numbers and widespread notion?</p> <p>all indians must be corrupt and greedy. it sure is evident in india and there are a lot of indo-canadian politicians who i've heard not so pleasant things about.</p> <p>look past the numbers and look at people individually for who they are. get away from the computer.</p> i’m not going to bother answering your little true or false quiz.

you can look at the stats all you want, and that is why i said “even if they may be true”.

you never addressed the fact that there are exceptions. why can’t you admit that? or does every thing have to be based on numbers and widespread notion?

all indians must be corrupt and greedy. it sure is evident in india and there are a lot of indo-canadian politicians who i’ve heard not so pleasant things about.

look past the numbers and look at people individually for who they are. get away from the computer.

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By: another anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4445 another anonymous Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:19:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4445 <p>So anony is saying that media portrayals of different races have a measurable impact in who people choose to be their lovers? That because blacks act as doctors and lawyers on TV, suddenly every female will want to marry any and all black men, no matter what? Disregarding anony's citations for now, it's the PREMISE which amuses me.</p> <p>I've found that most rational people choose their partners based on compatibility rather than TV and movie roles, but maybe anony could prove that wrong as well. People tend to be attracted to partners with similar socio-economic and educational backgrounds, which transcends race, I think. My closest black friend went to private school, was raised by both parents and works in IT, which makes him and me far more alike than him and his neighbors in Oakland, you know? Anony's figures on crime and AIDS are irrelevant when up against the tendencies of people to hang out with those who are similar, whether it's shared class or race or hobbies, you know? Or does he actually fear that ghetto criminals will somehow infiltrate the upper educated classes en masse through sex?</p> So anony is saying that media portrayals of different races have a measurable impact in who people choose to be their lovers? That because blacks act as doctors and lawyers on TV, suddenly every female will want to marry any and all black men, no matter what? Disregarding anony’s citations for now, it’s the PREMISE which amuses me.

I’ve found that most rational people choose their partners based on compatibility rather than TV and movie roles, but maybe anony could prove that wrong as well. People tend to be attracted to partners with similar socio-economic and educational backgrounds, which transcends race, I think. My closest black friend went to private school, was raised by both parents and works in IT, which makes him and me far more alike than him and his neighbors in Oakland, you know? Anony’s figures on crime and AIDS are irrelevant when up against the tendencies of people to hang out with those who are similar, whether it’s shared class or race or hobbies, you know? Or does he actually fear that ghetto criminals will somehow infiltrate the upper educated classes en masse through sex?

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By: andrea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4434 andrea Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:52:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4434 <p><b>T/F: Black males commit crimes at higher rates than any other group in the US.</b> <b>T/F: Black males commit domestic violence at higher rates than the males of any other ethnic group.</b> <b>T/F: Black males have AIDS at higher rates than the males of any other ethnic group.</b> <b>T/F: Of those black males who aren't in prison, fully one fourth are idle throughout the year - the highest rate of any ethnic group.</b> <b>T/F: Black males have lower SAT scores than the males of any other ethnic group.</b></p> <p>And you want to perpetuate this. What a travesty.</p> <p>Keep in mind that 150 years ago MY people were saying the same thing about YOUR people - that you were just savages and sadly unable to become civilized members of society.</p> <p>You are looking at effects without considering their causes. The aftereffects of colonialism and slavery, and current institutional racism are a very real part of the world we live in. The scary thing is that you actually want those statements I re-listed above to REMAIN true. Are you afraid that if black people were treated more like humans and less like scum, then they might possibly make the same strides that South Asians have made in recent years? God forbid someone ELSE might actually make good out of themselves.</p> T/F: Black males commit crimes at higher rates than any other group in the US. T/F: Black males commit domestic violence at higher rates than the males of any other ethnic group. T/F: Black males have AIDS at higher rates than the males of any other ethnic group. T/F: Of those black males who aren’t in prison, fully one fourth are idle throughout the year – the highest rate of any ethnic group. T/F: Black males have lower SAT scores than the males of any other ethnic group.

And you want to perpetuate this. What a travesty.

Keep in mind that 150 years ago MY people were saying the same thing about YOUR people – that you were just savages and sadly unable to become civilized members of society.

You are looking at effects without considering their causes. The aftereffects of colonialism and slavery, and current institutional racism are a very real part of the world we live in. The scary thing is that you actually want those statements I re-listed above to REMAIN true. Are you afraid that if black people were treated more like humans and less like scum, then they might possibly make the same strides that South Asians have made in recent years? God forbid someone ELSE might actually make good out of themselves.

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By: Ms. World http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4423 Ms. World Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:00:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4423 <p>ANONY- I must say that you make my several posts on this topic look minor compared to your mega-post.</p> <p>Honey, the more you write, the more I pity you!</p> ANONY- I must say that you make my several posts on this topic look minor compared to your mega-post.

Honey, the more you write, the more I pity you!

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By: cecilia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4421 cecilia Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:56:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4421 <p>I am working on a Ph.D in film on the Indian Diaspora. Being based in India and working on the topic, is rather difficult thanks to the internet I no how the desi's cope using film.</p> <p>Http://desipora.blogspot.com</p> I am working on a Ph.D in film on the Indian Diaspora. Being based in India and working on the topic, is rather difficult thanks to the internet I no how the desi’s cope using film.

Http://desipora.blogspot.com

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By: liberal pundit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/27/athis_momenta_v/comment-page-1/#comment-4420 liberal pundit Mon, 28 Feb 2005 07:54:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1121#comment-4420 <p>Godless Capitalist</p> <p>Have I been waiting for you to show up! Paul Wickre returns with his regular dose of blogopathy - African Americans, communists and IQ tests. Where do I begin with the godless phenomenon - I am guessing Lynn Conyway, PZ Myers and Jasoon Soon for starters would be good enuf.</p> <p>Your loving fan</p> <p>Liberal Pundit</p> Godless Capitalist

Have I been waiting for you to show up! Paul Wickre returns with his regular dose of blogopathy – African Americans, communists and IQ tests. Where do I begin with the godless phenomenon – I am guessing Lynn Conyway, PZ Myers and Jasoon Soon for starters would be good enuf.

Your loving fan

Liberal Pundit

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