Comments on: Ebert & Roeper: “Bride” looks lovely http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Raju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-5268 Raju Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:45:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-5268 <p>I think thats a great analysis Deepa</p> I think thats a great analysis Deepa

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By: Lila http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-5266 Lila Sat, 12 Mar 2005 21:54:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-5266 <p>It's funny because Ms. Rai looks nothing like an Indian woman. Maybe India's hardest attempt to produce a western looking star. She seems to me an imatation of the real thing, a white woman. Stand her next to a white woman with light eyes and no one will look in her direction.</p> It’s funny because Ms. Rai looks nothing like an Indian woman. Maybe India’s hardest attempt to produce a western looking star. She seems to me an imatation of the real thing, a white woman. Stand her next to a white woman with light eyes and no one will look in her direction.

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-4384 Deepa Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:51:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-4384 <p>Saw the movie a couple of weeks ago. Well-enough executed, but probably won't be big here because Americans who go to see those jolly brown people singing and dancing in glittery costumes will be surprised and irritated at the accusation of being "imperialists." They don't realize that Masala or Masala-style movies can incorporate (however well or clumsily) serious social or political elements as well.</p> <p>On top of that, the charges against American feelings of superiority are not done well enough to force the American audience to think about them. So I think the movie will not go over well here. Nor may some NRI's care for the glib stereotypes about them.</p> <p>More importantly, there are all sorts of complications in basing the movie on "Pride and Prejudice." The original story is a clear-cut class commentary and with this cross-cultural recast Chadha has to deal with the additional race/colonial issues inevitably brought in by the white hero initially looking down on the Indian heroine and her community. Complicated to do that and retain the simplistic "feel-good" romantic movie she was going for, and in fact I believe she failed to do so. (It is always difficult to analyze the often conflated influences of race and economic class.)</p> <p>Finally, yes, I think that we are in a phase where Americans do go to Bollywood movies to see "exotic" women and "simple" people enjoying themselves. They think that all there is to a Masala movie is singing, dancing, and weddings. The fad may be digested quickly and forgotten, or gradually the view of Masala movies over here may be deepened as time goes on. In this moment, I see condescension being involved in Americans' approach to Bollywood. The ones who like the movies see them as simple fun produced by and for a <em>simple</em> people, and the ones who don't like the movies look down on their differing narrative conventions, oblivious to Hollywood's own often simplistic narrative conventions.</p> Saw the movie a couple of weeks ago. Well-enough executed, but probably won’t be big here because Americans who go to see those jolly brown people singing and dancing in glittery costumes will be surprised and irritated at the accusation of being “imperialists.” They don’t realize that Masala or Masala-style movies can incorporate (however well or clumsily) serious social or political elements as well.

On top of that, the charges against American feelings of superiority are not done well enough to force the American audience to think about them. So I think the movie will not go over well here. Nor may some NRI’s care for the glib stereotypes about them.

More importantly, there are all sorts of complications in basing the movie on “Pride and Prejudice.” The original story is a clear-cut class commentary and with this cross-cultural recast Chadha has to deal with the additional race/colonial issues inevitably brought in by the white hero initially looking down on the Indian heroine and her community. Complicated to do that and retain the simplistic “feel-good” romantic movie she was going for, and in fact I believe she failed to do so. (It is always difficult to analyze the often conflated influences of race and economic class.)

Finally, yes, I think that we are in a phase where Americans do go to Bollywood movies to see “exotic” women and “simple” people enjoying themselves. They think that all there is to a Masala movie is singing, dancing, and weddings. The fad may be digested quickly and forgotten, or gradually the view of Masala movies over here may be deepened as time goes on. In this moment, I see condescension being involved in Americans’ approach to Bollywood. The ones who like the movies see them as simple fun produced by and for a simple people, and the ones who don’t like the movies look down on their differing narrative conventions, oblivious to Hollywood’s own often simplistic narrative conventions.

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By: neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-4378 neena Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:54:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-4378 <p>It's just a movie. This theme of the knight and shining armour is not limited to the white male. It is in movies in all cultures including American films. Not sure why the previous writer is making such a big deal. I thought the movie was good for a romantic comedy. It was cheezy at times but it was funny. I think the purpose of the movie was to provide a few laught. It wasn't intended to be a documentary. I think Aishwara Rai did a good job. I give it thumbs up as well.</p> It’s just a movie. This theme of the knight and shining armour is not limited to the white male. It is in movies in all cultures including American films. Not sure why the previous writer is making such a big deal. I thought the movie was good for a romantic comedy. It was cheezy at times but it was funny. I think the purpose of the movie was to provide a few laught. It wasn’t intended to be a documentary. I think Aishwara Rai did a good job. I give it thumbs up as well.

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By: Shanti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-3414 Shanti Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:51:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-3414 <p>Why cannot any Western or white man like a woman of a different color without being accused of exoticisation? It seems like when there is nothing to hate, we go around looking for reasons to. As a former Ms. World, Aishwarya Rai is considered beautiful by most standards. What is wrong in saying so?</p> Why cannot any Western or white man like a woman of a different color without being accused of exoticisation? It seems like when there is nothing to hate, we go around looking for reasons to. As a former Ms. World, Aishwarya Rai is considered beautiful by most standards. What is wrong in saying so?

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-3407 Sluggo Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:40:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-3407 <p>Unfortunately no ones going to be replacing Pauline Kael; and since Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel reviews were geared towards the lay man..who's cares what they say...</p> Unfortunately no ones going to be replacing Pauline Kael; and since Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel reviews were geared towards the lay man..who’s cares what they say…

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By: j http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-3405 j Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:58:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-3405 <p>Yeah, Carrie made a big mistake ditching Aidan.</p> <p>I saw the preview for B & P, and call me judgmental, but it looked like a steaming pile of doo.</p> Yeah, Carrie made a big mistake ditching Aidan.

I saw the preview for B & P, and call me judgmental, but it looked like a steaming pile of doo.

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By: Victor http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-3404 Victor Wed, 02 Feb 2005 07:09:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-3404 <p>Does anyone know which LA theatre will be hosting the red carpet premiere? I was hoping to go and do some "star" gazing. I've been trying to find out about the premiere but have failed at every turn.</p> Does anyone know which LA theatre will be hosting the red carpet premiere? I was hoping to go and do some “star” gazing. I’ve been trying to find out about the premiere but have failed at every turn.

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By: Ms World http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-3399 Ms World Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:19:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-3399 <p>Roger Ebert is or was married to a Black woman which might point to a colored woman fever issue. Back on the topic- I hope the movie does well in the U.S. I like Gurinder Chanda<code>s work. She</code>s my kinda gal. But the film isn<code>t anything like</code>Bend it like Beckham<code>or a</code>Dil Chahta Hai<code>but hell it isn</code>t the <code>Bride of Chucky</code> either.</p> <p>I thought Nitin was tha bomb in those American flag thong underwear. He seemed to be packing some heat too!</p> <p>Martin Henderson adds nothing to the movie. Marsha Mason and that chick from the Gilmore Girls are in it to.</p> Roger Ebert is or was married to a Black woman which might point to a colored woman fever issue. Back on the topic- I hope the movie does well in the U.S. I like Gurinder Chandas work. Shes my kinda gal. But the film isnt anything likeBend it like Beckhamor aDil Chahta Haibut hell it isnt the Bride of Chucky either.

I thought Nitin was tha bomb in those American flag thong underwear. He seemed to be packing some heat too!

Martin Henderson adds nothing to the movie. Marsha Mason and that chick from the Gilmore Girls are in it to.

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By: Amelie-Freak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/02/01/ebert_roeper_ab/comment-page-1/#comment-3397 Amelie-Freak Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:47:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=1009#comment-3397 <p>But John Corbett was soooooooo sweet as Aidan on SATC.</p> But John Corbett was soooooooo sweet as Aidan on SATC.

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