Comments on: A test for bias: Abhi –> Awful http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Michelle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-20422 Michelle Sat, 13 Aug 2005 19:19:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-20422 <p>This is fucked. I'm a young white lesbian and it said I had a slight preference for fat people, blacks and old people and it said I prefered straight people and non-ay-rabs</p> This is fucked. I’m a young white lesbian and it said I had a slight preference for fat people, blacks and old people and it said I prefered straight people and non-ay-rabs

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By: Shana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-7366 Shana Sat, 09 Apr 2005 01:52:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-7366 <p>I took the test after rading the article today, yes I know I am a little late. My test was inconclusive. <em>Your data suggest little or no automatic preference for Black American relative to White American</em></p> I took the test after rading the article today, yes I know I am a little late. My test was inconclusive. Your data suggest little or no automatic preference for Black American relative to White American

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By: zimblymallu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3551 zimblymallu Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:02:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3551 <p>muhahahaha... it looks like everybody's done talking. which means i get the last word. i should go around posting my comments on threads that are long dead. for the record. i took the test. i said i was asian. Isn't it time they put south asian on the list as a separate race group?</p> <p>Your data suggest little or no automatic preference for European American relative to African American</p> <p>It does start off associating good with white ppl, but isnt that what we're trying to find out... if things like that bias people naturally?</p> <p>how did this end up a litany of statistics about racially profiled crime? if you look at it, its more money and power than race that contributes to crime. well, since nobody else will read this, i think i'll stop typing now.</p> muhahahaha… it looks like everybody’s done talking. which means i get the last word. i should go around posting my comments on threads that are long dead. for the record. i took the test. i said i was asian. Isn’t it time they put south asian on the list as a separate race group?

Your data suggest little or no automatic preference for European American relative to African American

It does start off associating good with white ppl, but isnt that what we’re trying to find out… if things like that bias people naturally?

how did this end up a litany of statistics about racially profiled crime? if you look at it, its more money and power than race that contributes to crime. well, since nobody else will read this, i think i’ll stop typing now.

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3329 Sluggo Tue, 01 Feb 2005 01:12:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3329 <blockquote> FBI #'s are right for blacks but hispanics are counted as white. try Cali #'s. add them in and you get a very different picture for example: ...no way no how are whites committing 70% of the violent crime in the usa. crime rates in order: blacks #1 with a bullet, hispanics next, then whites, then asians. </blockquote> <p>Well BB, it seems your reading comprehension skills aren't too developed and that as I stated you can manipulate statistics which you did. This is what I wrote:</p> <blockquote> Overall: White 70.6%, 26.6% <b>Arrests</b> in 2003</blockquote> <p>Can you read that word, <b>Arrests</b>? Did I write that 70% of white's committed murders and robberies? Has the train arrived at the station yet? Accordingly your spinning with the stats again. The statistics were for the UNITED STATES, not for California. Do you understand the concept of population in regards to statistics?</p> <p><a href="http://censtats.census.gov/data/US/01000.pdf">The US Census for 2000</a> reported that there were 281,421,906 million people in the US. It's not completely accurate due to illegal immigration and non-returns, but it's the numbers they have. White people account for 194,552,774 Hispanic or Latino: 35,305,818 Black: 34,658,190</p> <p>So according to these population figures it is more than possible that 70% of the <b>Arrests</b> were white.</p> <blockquote>ahahaha sluggo you freakin' DUMBASS, you think something's missing there? like maybe hispanics perhaps? maybe maybe perhaps? </blockquote> <blockquote> heck leaving out hispanics out of violent crime stats is like leaving big pun out of the top 90's rappers. it just ain't done son!!! these are big contributors we're talking about son!!! mara salvatrucha don't want you to be dissing their murdering abilities </blockquote> <p>Maybe, just maybe, you should take this up with the FBI, since they wrote the report. But let's follow your logic here: how would you describe Sammy Sosa. Sosa is from the Dominican Republic, so he is considered latin, but if police officer were to report seeing him what would the descripition be? Correct, black. What about the actor Martin Sheen, his ethnic background is latin as well, how would a police officer describe him as well? Correct, white. What about someone from an African nation, just how would you tell the difference between them and a black person from the US? Similarly for someone who is half-black, half-white but has all the looks of a typical black person. Why not break it down even more, what if someone is irish, german, french, italian, native american..just how would you identify them? We could even take it down to the country,town of their births, but why stop there, let's go to genetic markers. Maybe, just maybe, you could help redo the whole police/intelligence system in the US to wait several days to figure out the ethnicity of someone before reporting what they are; So why don't you tell me who is white? Who is black?</p> <blockquote>this by the way answers your question about why whites don't fear asians or indians nor vice versa...they aren't fearing being shot, mugged, raped, or robbed by the chinese or indian kid....spin spin spin all you want, but inner cities are dangerous for a reason and that reason isn't chinese girls.</blockquote> <p>Actually it's more than just about whether just whites are scared. It's about perception and bias, which is what this whole article was about. You obviously fit the profile of someone who doesn't understand (nor cares) about the history of the sociopolictal and econimic issues that have often made minorities such as blacks and hispanics into pariahs. What <b>your</b> talking about is the tangible fear that people can relate to, i.e. assault, robbery and murder. And sure if you look to certain areas of the US, especially in urban areas such as Los Angeles, NYC, Atlanta, and Chicago there is greater number of minorities and the possibilities of violent crime being commited by that minority is higher. Crimes are committed everyday, no doubt about it, but often the most reported are highly violent ones. And also what is not reported is that in terms of <b>population</b> it's not worse than it was 60years ago, in fact it has been reduced somewhat since <a>1994</a>. Am I going to be afraid that Key Lay is going to assault on the street, no, but then again I believe that anyone is capable of doind something so I'm always cautious. But like I said these are more <i>tangible fears</i> because it's possible that it may happen to you because you see it on the nightly new every night.</p> <p>What is often not talked about though is often non-violent crimes causes huge amounts of devastation. Take for example, Enron. Enron executives, board members, and others in the heirarchy (did you see any black or hispanics there?) rigged the energy markets in California defrauding the state for almost $20B. Because of the rolling blackouts many small business, especially those that need refrigaration for conituous use, lost their business. They also lied to their investors and even their own workers. Several thousands of people were affected by these actions, yet no one is scared of this or even really bothered(except for those in California at the time), because it's an intangible threat. How about this, here we have <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0434,barrett,56167,1.html">information </a>that the Bush administration suppressed a report by the EPA that after the world trade center towers there was huge amount toxic dust that went out, and because of the suppression, several thousand workers now suffer severe respitory health problems; not to mention that this dust went into the ventilation system of all the buildings probably within a half-mile to mile radius. How many babies, children, adults, and senior citizens were affected? But again this non-tangible threat that is not brought on a daily basis on the news. So yes, people will more scared of black and hispanic people, but as this article stated it's all about <b>perception</b> and <b>bias</b>, which you seem to have loads of.</p> <blockquote> oh yeah and what % of violent crimes in NYC are committed by blacks or Hispanics? Think it's 50%? 60%? maybe 80%?... Nah loc, try 89.2% of violent criminals in NYC named by victim as black or Hispanic: .... </blockquote> <p>Again, your ignoring population issues with your stats, nor have you broken it down by burrough. And where the arrests occurred.</p> <blockquote> but maybe those racists need to start looking out for chinese girls and white slavery rings... </blockquote> <p>It seems apparent that you have no concept of what the word "racists" means. Nor have you conceded that you were incorrect about your assertion that white people don't do slavery. On a side note did you read the article about the father and son in Kansas, and how they enslaved a girl as young as 14? And what is all that about Chinese girls?</p> <blockquote> yeah just like all those christian suicide bombers...danger danger will robinson!!! </blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAkkk.htm">Some history on the KKK</a> <a href="http://www.splcenter.org/">Southern poverty law center</a> reports on groups, such as the klu klux klan and neo-nazis, who have many of their beliefs rooted in christianity. And yes, not just groups with white people in them. <a href="http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=135">Information</a> on racists, fascists, and neonazis in Europe. <a href="http://www.oklahomacitynationalmemorial.org/">Timothy McVeigh</a> and the Murrah building. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism">Here's some</a> more wiki information.</p> <p>It's obvious your knowledge is very limited and focused primarily on what you see on the telivision. By the you are as grammatically deficient as you are mentally.</p> FBI #’s are right for blacks but hispanics are counted as white. try Cali #’s. add them in and you get a very different picture for example: …no way no how are whites committing 70% of the violent crime in the usa. crime rates in order: blacks #1 with a bullet, hispanics next, then whites, then asians.

Well BB, it seems your reading comprehension skills aren’t too developed and that as I stated you can manipulate statistics which you did. This is what I wrote:

Overall: White 70.6%, 26.6% Arrests in 2003

Can you read that word, Arrests? Did I write that 70% of white’s committed murders and robberies? Has the train arrived at the station yet? Accordingly your spinning with the stats again. The statistics were for the UNITED STATES, not for California. Do you understand the concept of population in regards to statistics?

The US Census for 2000 reported that there were 281,421,906 million people in the US. It’s not completely accurate due to illegal immigration and non-returns, but it’s the numbers they have. White people account for 194,552,774 Hispanic or Latino: 35,305,818 Black: 34,658,190

So according to these population figures it is more than possible that 70% of the Arrests were white.

ahahaha sluggo you freakin’ DUMBASS, you think something’s missing there? like maybe hispanics perhaps? maybe maybe perhaps?
heck leaving out hispanics out of violent crime stats is like leaving big pun out of the top 90′s rappers. it just ain’t done son!!! these are big contributors we’re talking about son!!! mara salvatrucha don’t want you to be dissing their murdering abilities

Maybe, just maybe, you should take this up with the FBI, since they wrote the report. But let’s follow your logic here: how would you describe Sammy Sosa. Sosa is from the Dominican Republic, so he is considered latin, but if police officer were to report seeing him what would the descripition be? Correct, black. What about the actor Martin Sheen, his ethnic background is latin as well, how would a police officer describe him as well? Correct, white. What about someone from an African nation, just how would you tell the difference between them and a black person from the US? Similarly for someone who is half-black, half-white but has all the looks of a typical black person. Why not break it down even more, what if someone is irish, german, french, italian, native american..just how would you identify them? We could even take it down to the country,town of their births, but why stop there, let’s go to genetic markers. Maybe, just maybe, you could help redo the whole police/intelligence system in the US to wait several days to figure out the ethnicity of someone before reporting what they are; So why don’t you tell me who is white? Who is black?

this by the way answers your question about why whites don’t fear asians or indians nor vice versa…they aren’t fearing being shot, mugged, raped, or robbed by the chinese or indian kid….spin spin spin all you want, but inner cities are dangerous for a reason and that reason isn’t chinese girls.

Actually it’s more than just about whether just whites are scared. It’s about perception and bias, which is what this whole article was about. You obviously fit the profile of someone who doesn’t understand (nor cares) about the history of the sociopolictal and econimic issues that have often made minorities such as blacks and hispanics into pariahs. What your talking about is the tangible fear that people can relate to, i.e. assault, robbery and murder. And sure if you look to certain areas of the US, especially in urban areas such as Los Angeles, NYC, Atlanta, and Chicago there is greater number of minorities and the possibilities of violent crime being commited by that minority is higher. Crimes are committed everyday, no doubt about it, but often the most reported are highly violent ones. And also what is not reported is that in terms of population it’s not worse than it was 60years ago, in fact it has been reduced somewhat since 1994. Am I going to be afraid that Key Lay is going to assault on the street, no, but then again I believe that anyone is capable of doind something so I’m always cautious. But like I said these are more tangible fears because it’s possible that it may happen to you because you see it on the nightly new every night.

What is often not talked about though is often non-violent crimes causes huge amounts of devastation. Take for example, Enron. Enron executives, board members, and others in the heirarchy (did you see any black or hispanics there?) rigged the energy markets in California defrauding the state for almost $20B. Because of the rolling blackouts many small business, especially those that need refrigaration for conituous use, lost their business. They also lied to their investors and even their own workers. Several thousands of people were affected by these actions, yet no one is scared of this or even really bothered(except for those in California at the time), because it’s an intangible threat. How about this, here we have information that the Bush administration suppressed a report by the EPA that after the world trade center towers there was huge amount toxic dust that went out, and because of the suppression, several thousand workers now suffer severe respitory health problems; not to mention that this dust went into the ventilation system of all the buildings probably within a half-mile to mile radius. How many babies, children, adults, and senior citizens were affected? But again this non-tangible threat that is not brought on a daily basis on the news. So yes, people will more scared of black and hispanic people, but as this article stated it’s all about perception and bias, which you seem to have loads of.

oh yeah and what % of violent crimes in NYC are committed by blacks or Hispanics? Think it’s 50%? 60%? maybe 80%?… Nah loc, try 89.2% of violent criminals in NYC named by victim as black or Hispanic: ….

Again, your ignoring population issues with your stats, nor have you broken it down by burrough. And where the arrests occurred.

but maybe those racists need to start looking out for chinese girls and white slavery rings…

It seems apparent that you have no concept of what the word “racists” means. Nor have you conceded that you were incorrect about your assertion that white people don’t do slavery. On a side note did you read the article about the father and son in Kansas, and how they enslaved a girl as young as 14? And what is all that about Chinese girls?

yeah just like all those christian suicide bombers…danger danger will robinson!!!

Some history on the KKK Southern poverty law center reports on groups, such as the klu klux klan and neo-nazis, who have many of their beliefs rooted in christianity. And yes, not just groups with white people in them. Information on racists, fascists, and neonazis in Europe. Timothy McVeigh and the Murrah building. Here’s some more wiki information.

It’s obvious your knowledge is very limited and focused primarily on what you see on the telivision. By the you are as grammatically deficient as you are mentally.

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By: blahblah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3294 blahblah Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:45:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3294 <p><i> Murder and nonneglient manslaughter: White 48.9% Black 48.1% Forcible Rape: White 64.1%, Black 33.4% Robbery: White 35.2%, Black 62.8% Aggravated Assault: White 59.3%, Black 38.3% </i></p> <p>ahahaha sluggo you freakin' DUMBASS, you think something's missing there? like maybe hispanics perhaps? maybe maybe perhaps?</p> <p>heck leaving out hispanics out of violent crime stats is like leaving big pun out of the top 90's rappers. it just ain't done son!!! these are big contributors we're talking about son!!! mara salvatrucha don't want you to be dissing their murdering abilities</p> <p>FBI #'s are right for blacks but hispanics are counted as white. try Cali #'s. add them in and you get a very different picture for example:</p> <p>http://justice.hdcdojnet.state.ca.us/cjsc_stats/prof01/00/22.htm</p> <p>no way no how are whites committing 70% of the violent crime in the usa. crime rates in order: blacks #1 with a bullet, hispanics next, then whites, then asians.</p> <p>this by the way answers your question about why whites don't fear asians or indians nor vice versa...they aren't fearing being shot, mugged, raped, or robbed by the chinese or indian kid.</p> <p>spin spin spin all you want, but inner cities are dangerous for a reason and that reason isn't chinese girls.</p> <p>who raped the central park joggers? who pulled off the wichita massacre? who burned down LA during the riots? who burned down freddy's fashion mart?</p> <p>guess it was the koreans.</p> <p>oh yeah and what % of violent crimes in NYC are committed by blacks or Hispanics? Think it's 50%? 60%? maybe 80%?</p> <p>Nah loc, try <b>89.2%</b> of violent criminals in NYC named by victim as black or Hispanic:</p> <p>http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/pap/stopandfrisk_0501.pdf</p> <p>but maybe those racists need to start looking out for chinese girls and white slavery rings...yeah just like all those christian suicide bombers...danger danger will robinson!!!</p> Murder and nonneglient manslaughter: White 48.9% Black 48.1% Forcible Rape: White 64.1%, Black 33.4% Robbery: White 35.2%, Black 62.8% Aggravated Assault: White 59.3%, Black 38.3%

ahahaha sluggo you freakin’ DUMBASS, you think something’s missing there? like maybe hispanics perhaps? maybe maybe perhaps?

heck leaving out hispanics out of violent crime stats is like leaving big pun out of the top 90′s rappers. it just ain’t done son!!! these are big contributors we’re talking about son!!! mara salvatrucha don’t want you to be dissing their murdering abilities

FBI #’s are right for blacks but hispanics are counted as white. try Cali #’s. add them in and you get a very different picture for example:

http://justice.hdcdojnet.state.ca.us/cjsc_stats/prof01/00/22.htm

no way no how are whites committing 70% of the violent crime in the usa. crime rates in order: blacks #1 with a bullet, hispanics next, then whites, then asians.

this by the way answers your question about why whites don’t fear asians or indians nor vice versa…they aren’t fearing being shot, mugged, raped, or robbed by the chinese or indian kid.

spin spin spin all you want, but inner cities are dangerous for a reason and that reason isn’t chinese girls.

who raped the central park joggers? who pulled off the wichita massacre? who burned down LA during the riots? who burned down freddy’s fashion mart?

guess it was the koreans.

oh yeah and what % of violent crimes in NYC are committed by blacks or Hispanics? Think it’s 50%? 60%? maybe 80%?

Nah loc, try 89.2% of violent criminals in NYC named by victim as black or Hispanic:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/pdf/pap/stopandfrisk_0501.pdf

but maybe those racists need to start looking out for chinese girls and white slavery rings…yeah just like all those christian suicide bombers…danger danger will robinson!!!

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3286 Sluggo Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:11:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3286 <blockquote>come ON...as if there wasn't any reason people might be scared of blacks? they do commit 50% of murders and robberies in the US, after all...and have vastly disproportionate rates of assault, rape, and other violent crimes: http://www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec4.pdf </blockquote> <p>It's interesting how you cherry pick your stats. For anyone interested CO is probably referring to Table 43 in the PDF.</p> <p>Murder and nonneglient manslaughter: White 48.9% Black 48.1% Forcible Rape: White 64.1%, Black 33.4% Robbery: White 35.2%, Black 62.8% Aggravated Assault: White 59.3%, Black 38.3% Burglary: White 71.4%, Black 38.3%</p> <p>Overall: White 70.6%, 26.6% Arrests in 2003</p> <p>So where exactly did you the 50% of murders? Or was it a combination of Murders and Robberies?</p> <p>it isn't white golf courses that are "inner city" neiughborhoods that cops fear to tread ..besides, i bet that if they tested blacks that blacks would come out with racism against whites.</p> <p>Well, duh, that's what this whole article was to show BIAS not racism.</p> <blockquote> and wanna bet that whites wouldn't have negative reactions to asians or indians?? there's a reason for these reactions. </blockquote> <p>So what are the reasons? And don't use stats, because stats can be read anyway you want them to be read.</p> <p>as chris rock said: "Blacks complain that the media distort our images. Get real, Rock says, "when I nervously go to a money machine at night, I ain't lookin' over my shoulder for the media!" be a little more critical people!!!</p> <p>Yeah, your criticism is mostly regurtation.</p> <blockquote>ain't no white guys going around enslaving people today. </blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.kansas.com/mld/eagle/2005/01/21/news/local/crime_courts/10695282.htm">All american father and son</a> in a Red stat, running a slave prostitution ring.</p> <p><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/crime/cst-nws-mobslave18r.html">Another </a> slave ring in Chicago.</p> <p>I'm sure I can find more instances and usually in the West it has to do with sex and prostitution. On the flip side, the Sudan still has slavery going on well as the geonicidal issues.</p> <blockquote> plenty of very dangerous black neighborhoods though, so dangerous that even jesse jackson admits they're dangerous. </blockquote> <p>He was referring to the issue of Black on Black crime.</p> <blockquote> but what's a little ignorance among friends? especially when it gets in the way of self righteous posturing over white "racism". </blockquote> <p>Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.</p> come ON…as if there wasn’t any reason people might be scared of blacks? they do commit 50% of murders and robberies in the US, after all…and have vastly disproportionate rates of assault, rape, and other violent crimes: http://www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec4.pdf

It’s interesting how you cherry pick your stats. For anyone interested CO is probably referring to Table 43 in the PDF.

Murder and nonneglient manslaughter: White 48.9% Black 48.1% Forcible Rape: White 64.1%, Black 33.4% Robbery: White 35.2%, Black 62.8% Aggravated Assault: White 59.3%, Black 38.3% Burglary: White 71.4%, Black 38.3%

Overall: White 70.6%, 26.6% Arrests in 2003

So where exactly did you the 50% of murders? Or was it a combination of Murders and Robberies?

it isn’t white golf courses that are “inner city” neiughborhoods that cops fear to tread ..besides, i bet that if they tested blacks that blacks would come out with racism against whites.

Well, duh, that’s what this whole article was to show BIAS not racism.

and wanna bet that whites wouldn’t have negative reactions to asians or indians?? there’s a reason for these reactions.

So what are the reasons? And don’t use stats, because stats can be read anyway you want them to be read.

as chris rock said: “Blacks complain that the media distort our images. Get real, Rock says, “when I nervously go to a money machine at night, I ain’t lookin’ over my shoulder for the media!” be a little more critical people!!!

Yeah, your criticism is mostly regurtation.

ain’t no white guys going around enslaving people today.

All american father and son in a Red stat, running a slave prostitution ring.

Another slave ring in Chicago.

I’m sure I can find more instances and usually in the West it has to do with sex and prostitution. On the flip side, the Sudan still has slavery going on well as the geonicidal issues.

plenty of very dangerous black neighborhoods though, so dangerous that even jesse jackson admits they’re dangerous.

He was referring to the issue of Black on Black crime.

but what’s a little ignorance among friends? especially when it gets in the way of self righteous posturing over white “racism”.

Don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house.

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By: andrea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3284 andrea Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:17:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3284 <p>Anyone who has done more than a cursory study of slavery or colonization realizes that the effects of history continue well into the present. For better and for worse, the world would not be they way it is now if it was not for European colonization. So please don't play the "that was in the past and it is over" game.</p> <p>And remember that blacks enslaving other blacks, while just as wrong as whites enslaving blacks, is a power play based on other factors (such as belonging to an opposing political party). It is NOT based on the "scientific" theories of the modern period that presented one race as more evolved than another, and like it or not, are still at the basis of much of today's Western thought.</p> <p>Out of 5000+ years of recorded history, the idea that people of different races, cultures or genders can be truly equal has really only been around for about fifty years, and it hasn't even gotten CLOSE to permeating the entire world.</p> <p>We are living in the midst of a very new movement. We can't say that racism is dead just because we celebrate MLK Jr. day as a national holiday. We can't expect that people who have been oppressed for hundreds of years within the context of a certain culture are suddenly going to wake up to a blank slate and (want to) aspire to the same economic class as those who oppressed them. The world does not work like that. Change happens slowly, but it does not happen at all if people do not work to effect it. That means everyone of every race.</p> <p>What we can do is keep calling out racism as wrong when we see it. This is a harder task than it seems, considering that we learn what we live from our parents, who learned from theirs before them, etc. Somewhere along the line there must be a major paradigm shift that calls out the racism of previous generations to be wrong.</p> <p>My great-grandparents lived right in the middle of the racist paradigm of the early 20th century. My grandparents were of the generation that said, "I don't mean to be racist, but I just can't trust black people." My parents were of the hippie generation that loved everyone, but still told racist jokes and sent them around work via fax. What will my children say of the interracial attitudes of my generation?</p> <p>I have never owned a slave, nor have I colonized a faraway land. But that doesn't mean that I have license to perpetuate discrimination.</p> <p>And I'm the token white girl, so I am writing from the perspective of a white person taking responsibility for her part. No one is exempt. Examine your own history and figure out how you too can work towards creating equality for everyone.</p> Anyone who has done more than a cursory study of slavery or colonization realizes that the effects of history continue well into the present. For better and for worse, the world would not be they way it is now if it was not for European colonization. So please don’t play the “that was in the past and it is over” game.

And remember that blacks enslaving other blacks, while just as wrong as whites enslaving blacks, is a power play based on other factors (such as belonging to an opposing political party). It is NOT based on the “scientific” theories of the modern period that presented one race as more evolved than another, and like it or not, are still at the basis of much of today’s Western thought.

Out of 5000+ years of recorded history, the idea that people of different races, cultures or genders can be truly equal has really only been around for about fifty years, and it hasn’t even gotten CLOSE to permeating the entire world.

We are living in the midst of a very new movement. We can’t say that racism is dead just because we celebrate MLK Jr. day as a national holiday. We can’t expect that people who have been oppressed for hundreds of years within the context of a certain culture are suddenly going to wake up to a blank slate and (want to) aspire to the same economic class as those who oppressed them. The world does not work like that. Change happens slowly, but it does not happen at all if people do not work to effect it. That means everyone of every race.

What we can do is keep calling out racism as wrong when we see it. This is a harder task than it seems, considering that we learn what we live from our parents, who learned from theirs before them, etc. Somewhere along the line there must be a major paradigm shift that calls out the racism of previous generations to be wrong.

My great-grandparents lived right in the middle of the racist paradigm of the early 20th century. My grandparents were of the generation that said, “I don’t mean to be racist, but I just can’t trust black people.” My parents were of the hippie generation that loved everyone, but still told racist jokes and sent them around work via fax. What will my children say of the interracial attitudes of my generation?

I have never owned a slave, nor have I colonized a faraway land. But that doesn’t mean that I have license to perpetuate discrimination.

And I’m the token white girl, so I am writing from the perspective of a white person taking responsibility for her part. No one is exempt. Examine your own history and figure out how you too can work towards creating equality for everyone.

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By: Deepa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3283 Deepa Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:08:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3283 <p>I haven't taken the test yet, but from the description, the order of the associations needs to be counterbalanced. If you have learnt "white = positive, black = negative" to pass the first part of the test, and then have to learn "white = negative, black = positive" to pass the second part, the association rules you learnt for the first part are going to interfere with your rule learning and performance on the second part.</p> <p>The test-taker would have to take the test in one order one day, and then several weeks later take it in the other order, and then the delays in the second part of each test would have to be compared to see if one set of delays is on average longer than the other set - if you find this effect, then there is bias against whichever group has the " = positive" rule for the longer delays.</p> I haven’t taken the test yet, but from the description, the order of the associations needs to be counterbalanced. If you have learnt “white = positive, black = negative” to pass the first part of the test, and then have to learn “white = negative, black = positive” to pass the second part, the association rules you learnt for the first part are going to interfere with your rule learning and performance on the second part.

The test-taker would have to take the test in one order one day, and then several weeks later take it in the other order, and then the delays in the second part of each test would have to be compared to see if one set of delays is on average longer than the other set – if you find this effect, then there is bias against whichever group has the ” = positive” rule for the longer delays.

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By: blah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3281 blah Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:36:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3281 <p>what`s a little slave trading and colonialism amongst friends?</p> <p>also - you must not know that blacks enslaved other blacks and that blacks have committed genocide against other blacks.</p> <p>but what's a little ignorance among friends? especially when it gets in the way of self righteous posturing over white "racism".</p> what`s a little slave trading and colonialism amongst friends?

also – you must not know that blacks enslaved other blacks and that blacks have committed genocide against other blacks.

but what’s a little ignorance among friends? especially when it gets in the way of self righteous posturing over white “racism”.

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By: blah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2005/01/25/a_test_for_bias/comment-page-1/#comment-3280 blah Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:33:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=977#comment-3280 <p><i> I<code>ll take</code>dangerous Blacks<code>over</code>crazy white men<code>who have a history of enslaving people and landing in other people</code>s back yards </i></p> <p>sure thing, i'll take the reverse. so would everyone who wants to come from africa or haiti to the US.</p> <p>ain't no white guys going around enslaving people today.</p> <p>plenty of very dangerous black neighborhoods though, so dangerous that even jesse jackson admits they're dangerous.</p> <p>http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:r1Oa3N0gkrMJ:www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/charen030800.asp+jesse+jackson+footsteps+behind&hl=en</p> <p><b>Even Jesse Jackson once admitted that if he is walking alone at night and hears footsteps behind him, he is "relieved" if he turns and finds that the pursuer is white.</b></p> <p>looks like jesse isn't afraid of being enslaved by those 21st century white slavers and colonialists!!!</p> Ill takedangerous Blacksovercrazy white menwho have a history of enslaving people and landing in other peoples back yards

sure thing, i’ll take the reverse. so would everyone who wants to come from africa or haiti to the US.

ain’t no white guys going around enslaving people today.

plenty of very dangerous black neighborhoods though, so dangerous that even jesse jackson admits they’re dangerous.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:r1Oa3N0gkrMJ:www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/charen030800.asp+jesse+jackson+footsteps+behind&hl=en

Even Jesse Jackson once admitted that if he is walking alone at night and hears footsteps behind him, he is “relieved” if he turns and finds that the pursuer is white.

looks like jesse isn’t afraid of being enslaved by those 21st century white slavers and colonialists!!!

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