Comments on: Indian nurses face racial harassment http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Bugaboo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-224808 Bugaboo Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:37:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-224808 <p>It's interesting to note how so many people ask "where is the evidence" when confronted with the issue of discrimination. I am guessing these same individuals would have asked the messiah "show me a miracle before I believe".</p> <p>It's the start of an arrogance which allows murders and rapists to get off free because the case doesn't appear to be watertight or because they think it will never hold up in court. Unfortunately from my own experience discrimination in the UK is rampant and always has been. Even more worrying is the fact that discrimination is legal and there is nothing you can do about it. I know from a recent court appearance.</p> It’s interesting to note how so many people ask “where is the evidence” when confronted with the issue of discrimination. I am guessing these same individuals would have asked the messiah “show me a miracle before I believe”.

It’s the start of an arrogance which allows murders and rapists to get off free because the case doesn’t appear to be watertight or because they think it will never hold up in court. Unfortunately from my own experience discrimination in the UK is rampant and always has been. Even more worrying is the fact that discrimination is legal and there is nothing you can do about it. I know from a recent court appearance.

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By: rammy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-52747 rammy Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:29:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-52747 <p>whatsoever the controversy is but if there is a problem of such just check it and chuck it out folks. dont start the war of discrimination again. we are from this beautiful & colourful world let us work together and live together. Due to globalisation everyone goes global and everyone is in one family "human" family. lets live for world peace and save this universe.</p> whatsoever the controversy is but if there is a problem of such just check it and chuck it out folks. dont start the war of discrimination again. we are from this beautiful & colourful world let us work together and live together. Due to globalisation everyone goes global and everyone is in one family “human” family. lets live for world peace and save this universe.

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By: yoohooo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-49962 yoohooo Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:22:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-49962 <p>Those that act so negatively against such studies are those that do not wish to have the whole picture discovered. Usually this is done by the majority/native population regardless of colour.</p> <p>If there is no racism then this will be identified by the reports. I dont understand this lefty righty nonsense, these are just more labels used by those not intellectually equipped to think at the level required to make a rational non bigoted opinion</p> Those that act so negatively against such studies are those that do not wish to have the whole picture discovered. Usually this is done by the majority/native population regardless of colour.

If there is no racism then this will be identified by the reports. I dont understand this lefty righty nonsense, these are just more labels used by those not intellectually equipped to think at the level required to make a rational non bigoted opinion

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1694 Sluggo Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:32:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1694 <p>Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly, but there are <i>no provable cases of whitey committing</i> racism, but there are provable cases of <i>brown's discrimnating against whitey</i>. Despite all your bellyaching about provable stat's, you can't say that asian's discriminate against others and not be able to say that there isn't <b>any</b> discernable discrimination by white, black, or other ethnic groups discriminating against each other. Besides there's little bit a of racist in everybody; as to how much this influences a person's life and prejudices their viewpoints varies.</p> Maybe I’m not understanding this correctly, but there are no provable cases of whitey committing racism, but there are provable cases of brown’s discrimnating against whitey. Despite all your bellyaching about provable stat’s, you can’t say that asian’s discriminate against others and not be able to say that there isn’t any discernable discrimination by white, black, or other ethnic groups discriminating against each other. Besides there’s little bit a of racist in everybody; as to how much this influences a person’s life and prejudices their viewpoints varies.

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By: gc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1693 gc Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:46:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1693 <p>sluggo,</p> <p>here is one from the mid 90's. I don't think the #'s have changed much:</p> <p>http://www.cis.org/articles/1995/profcoverage.html</p> <blockquote> WASHINGTON (AP) -- <b>Immigrant professionals are getting higher-paying jobs than native-born Americans in hospitals, universities and other institutions, as Asians outdistance whites in many professions</b>, according to a new study. The census-based study found <b>more foreign-born Indian doctors than native-born black doctors, with striking disparity in median salaries among racial groups</b>. And it found significantly larger proportions of Asian and white professionals than either blacks or Hispanics... The highest paid of any foreign-born group analyzed separately is <b>Korean doctors, who have a median income of dlrs 101,000, the report said. Indian physicians ranked second at dlrs 82,205</b>. It said 14,000 foreign-born Asian professionals earn more than dlrs 150,000 a year from their professions. </blockquote> <p>as for the rest, well, yeah...angry ethnic leftists <em>are</em> the problem, particularly when they constantly blame whitey <em>even when no provable racism exists</em> and <em>even when browns discriminate against whites as well</em>.</p> sluggo,

here is one from the mid 90′s. I don’t think the #’s have changed much:

http://www.cis.org/articles/1995/profcoverage.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — Immigrant professionals are getting higher-paying jobs than native-born Americans in hospitals, universities and other institutions, as Asians outdistance whites in many professions, according to a new study. The census-based study found more foreign-born Indian doctors than native-born black doctors, with striking disparity in median salaries among racial groups. And it found significantly larger proportions of Asian and white professionals than either blacks or Hispanics… The highest paid of any foreign-born group analyzed separately is Korean doctors, who have a median income of dlrs 101,000, the report said. Indian physicians ranked second at dlrs 82,205. It said 14,000 foreign-born Asian professionals earn more than dlrs 150,000 a year from their professions.

as for the rest, well, yeah…angry ethnic leftists are the problem, particularly when they constantly blame whitey even when no provable racism exists and even when browns discriminate against whites as well.

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By: Anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1692 Anonymous Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:51:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1692 <p>I would very much like to see a study of on the profitability of making loud accusations of racism, and for a control a study of the same regarding reverse racism. I suspect a growth field in being a spokesperson for organizations getting slammed for racist behaviors -- like Denny's. I've gotten some very nice offers to appear in brochures for Regent Law, aka Biblical Law.</p> I would very much like to see a study of on the profitability of making loud accusations of racism, and for a control a study of the same regarding reverse racism. I suspect a growth field in being a spokesperson for organizations getting slammed for racist behaviors — like Denny’s. I’ve gotten some very nice offers to appear in brochures for Regent Law, aka Biblical Law.

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By: vinod http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1691 vinod Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:00:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1691 <blockquote>the fact that people are interested in this topic enough to DO studies - qualitative or quantitative - is evidence in itself that there is an issue here that needs to be looked into</blockquote> <p>Call me a cynic, but it's worth noting that <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5269131/">it's rather "profitable" these days</a> for certain folks to go around making loud charges about racism / discrimination / etc. (trial lawyers, ethnic activists, community leaders, etc.)</p> the fact that people are interested in this topic enough to DO studies – qualitative or quantitative – is evidence in itself that there is an issue here that needs to be looked into

Call me a cynic, but it’s worth noting that it’s rather “profitable” these days for certain folks to go around making loud charges about racism / discrimination / etc. (trial lawyers, ethnic activists, community leaders, etc.)

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1690 Sluggo Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:08:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1690 <blockquote>I know E & S Asian doctors make *more* money on average than whites in the US...would be surprising to see the opposite hold for Indians.</blockquote> <p>Can you point me to that info?</p> <blockquote>If Indians reject whites at a rate similar to the rate whites reject Indians, again it's a very different story from the tiresome "whites are racist" conclusion.</blockquote> <p>Maybe it's those angry ethnic activists leftists at work again.</p> I know E & S Asian doctors make *more* money on average than whites in the US…would be surprising to see the opposite hold for Indians.

Can you point me to that info?

If Indians reject whites at a rate similar to the rate whites reject Indians, again it’s a very different story from the tiresome “whites are racist” conclusion.

Maybe it’s those angry ethnic activists leftists at work again.

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By: MD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 MD Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:47:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1689 <p>hello nurse,</p> <p>I responded with skepticism because of the data presented. And, you know, I'm tired of this 'doc's are treated better than nurses' thing that gets trotted out everytime. Do some docs act like jerks to some nurses? Sure they do. And shame on them for it. They should be disciplined.</p> <p>Ask any new intern how they are treated by the nurses on the floor.....or as medical students. You can be nice and polite and still get your head chewed off.</p> <p>As for blaming the victim: when was I doing that? Without having a proper study, how am I do judge these claims? I most certainly am not blaming the victim. To do that, I'd have to have a better idea of who the victims <em>are</em>.</p> hello nurse,

I responded with skepticism because of the data presented. And, you know, I’m tired of this ‘doc’s are treated better than nurses’ thing that gets trotted out everytime. Do some docs act like jerks to some nurses? Sure they do. And shame on them for it. They should be disciplined.

Ask any new intern how they are treated by the nurses on the floor…..or as medical students. You can be nice and polite and still get your head chewed off.

As for blaming the victim: when was I doing that? Without having a proper study, how am I do judge these claims? I most certainly am not blaming the victim. To do that, I’d have to have a better idea of who the victims are.

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By: gc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/26/indian_nurses_f/comment-page-1/#comment-1688 gc Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:24:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=607#comment-1688 <p>please...</p> <p>what is the statistical evidence for discrimination? are they actually getting paid less? I know E & S Asian doctors make <em>more</em> money on average than whites in the US...would be surprising to see the opposite hold for Indians.</p> <p>If you start out looking for "discrimination" with a low bar you're going to find it. I want to see hard evidence of people with equivalent qualifications being turned down for jobs, with the control being white applicants to jobs governed by Indians. I want to see substantial salary discrepancies for controlled professional qualifications before I start appealing to "racism" to explain outcome differences.</p> <p>And I definitely want to see how whites are treated by browns as a control. In the US, all these studies intended to find thoughtcrime among whites never have blacks as employers or Asians as employers/employees...because the prejudgment is that a) whites are the only employers and b) only whites can be racist.</p> <p>If Indians reject whites at a rate similar to the rate whites reject Indians, again it's a very different story from the tiresome "whites are racist" conclusion.</p> please…

what is the statistical evidence for discrimination? are they actually getting paid less? I know E & S Asian doctors make more money on average than whites in the US…would be surprising to see the opposite hold for Indians.

If you start out looking for “discrimination” with a low bar you’re going to find it. I want to see hard evidence of people with equivalent qualifications being turned down for jobs, with the control being white applicants to jobs governed by Indians. I want to see substantial salary discrepancies for controlled professional qualifications before I start appealing to “racism” to explain outcome differences.

And I definitely want to see how whites are treated by browns as a control. In the US, all these studies intended to find thoughtcrime among whites never have blacks as employers or Asians as employers/employees…because the prejudgment is that a) whites are the only employers and b) only whites can be racist.

If Indians reject whites at a rate similar to the rate whites reject Indians, again it’s a very different story from the tiresome “whites are racist” conclusion.

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