Comments on: The Times on Caste in the Diaspora http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jalyssa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-264987 Jalyssa Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:27:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-264987 <p>what does “a paradoxical demonstration of the stubborn resilience of caste” mean???</p> what does “a paradoxical demonstration of the stubborn resilience of caste” mean???

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By: babloo yadav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-220731 babloo yadav Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:45:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-220731 <p>caste in diasporic community is very similar to race or even worse. diasporic indian are not questioning the etenicity but want egalitarian behaviour. also it is very paradoxical that they are also maintaining their caste identity by praciticing endogamy.</p> caste in diasporic community is very similar to race or even worse. diasporic indian are not questioning the etenicity but want egalitarian behaviour. also it is very paradoxical that they are also maintaining their caste identity by praciticing endogamy.

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By: Arvind http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-121267 Arvind Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:57:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-121267 <p>caste is racism, probably even worse, its just called caste in india, probably helps us to feel a little less racist than we really are.</p> caste is racism, probably even worse, its just called caste in india, probably helps us to feel a little less racist than we really are.

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By: gc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1667 gc Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:19:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1667 <p>clearly it's equivalent to the societal definition of racism, and only advocates of the double-standard would say it's more valid for group A to make explicit defenses of endogamy than for group B to do so.</p> <p>the obvious counterpoint, though, is that if "wanting to marry someone who looks like you" is slickly equated to "hating those who don't look like you", then almost everyone in the world is racist. This is a curious and ideological way to look at things, one which is essentially religious (given its overtones of original sin = racism, high priests = tolerance.org, etc.).</p> clearly it’s equivalent to the societal definition of racism, and only advocates of the double-standard would say it’s more valid for group A to make explicit defenses of endogamy than for group B to do so.

the obvious counterpoint, though, is that if “wanting to marry someone who looks like you” is slickly equated to “hating those who don’t look like you”, then almost everyone in the world is racist. This is a curious and ideological way to look at things, one which is essentially religious (given its overtones of original sin = racism, high priests = tolerance.org, etc.).

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By: a non mouse http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1666 a non mouse Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:03:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1666 <p>I'm curious -- do 2nd-gen South Asians growing up in the West see this kind of thing as racism, <i>a la</i> a redneck telling his daughter not to mix with any durn furriners? Or is it seen as somehow culturally valid to want to only breed with "your own kind"?</p> I’m curious — do 2nd-gen South Asians growing up in the West see this kind of thing as racism, a la a redneck telling his daughter not to mix with any durn furriners? Or is it seen as somehow culturally valid to want to only breed with “your own kind”?

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By: Sluggo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1665 Sluggo Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:10:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1665 <p>Andrea, no amount of philosophy or religion has eradicated mankind's inherent biases and discriminations. Every ethnic group that has emigrated to US has had the same issues and there has developed different version of the caste system in the US as well.</p> Andrea, no amount of philosophy or religion has eradicated mankind’s inherent biases and discriminations. Every ethnic group that has emigrated to US has had the same issues and there has developed different version of the caste system in the US as well.

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By: andrea http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 andrea Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:31:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1664 <p>I thought one of the goals of the founders of Sikhism was to eliminate caste distinctions, thus the Singh/Kaur surnames for all. Am i wrong?</p> I thought one of the goals of the founders of Sikhism was to eliminate caste distinctions, thus the Singh/Kaur surnames for all. Am i wrong?

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1663 Manish Vij Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:30:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1663 <blockquote>There are untouchables in Sikhism?</blockquote> <p>Sikhism, like Islam, tacitly absorbed some caste consciousness from Hinduism. E.g. jats vs. non-jats.</p> <blockquote>How would someone know if you were Dalit just by looking at you? </blockquote> <p>Probably from Paul's last name, I'm guessing.</p> There are untouchables in Sikhism?

Sikhism, like Islam, tacitly absorbed some caste consciousness from Hinduism. E.g. jats vs. non-jats.

How would someone know if you were Dalit just by looking at you?

Probably from Paul’s last name, I’m guessing.

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By: PMC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 PMC Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:16:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1662 <p>I definitely agree that the vast majority of Indian-Americans are upper-caste.</p> <p>"spirited 50-year-old Punjabi Sikh (the Sikh faith absorbed some caste distinctions) who came to New York City in 1985 and worked as a dishwasher at Tad's Steaks. Now he and his wife spend seven days a week running the Chirping Chicken outlet he owns in Astoria. He could cite no instance of outright discrimination, but said looks and gestures sometimes betray upper-caste condescension. "Our friends who came here from India from the upper classes, they're supposed to leave this kind of thing behind, but unfortunately they brought it with them," he said. Yet in a paradoxical demonstration of the stubborn resilience of caste, Mr. Paul is active with a local Dalit group and said he would prefer that his son marry a Dalit. "We want to stay in our community," he said.</p> <p>1.) There are untouchables in Sikhism?</p> <p>2.) How would someone know if you were Dalit just by looking at you?</p> I definitely agree that the vast majority of Indian-Americans are upper-caste.

“spirited 50-year-old Punjabi Sikh (the Sikh faith absorbed some caste distinctions) who came to New York City in 1985 and worked as a dishwasher at Tad’s Steaks. Now he and his wife spend seven days a week running the Chirping Chicken outlet he owns in Astoria. He could cite no instance of outright discrimination, but said looks and gestures sometimes betray upper-caste condescension. “Our friends who came here from India from the upper classes, they’re supposed to leave this kind of thing behind, but unfortunately they brought it with them,” he said. Yet in a paradoxical demonstration of the stubborn resilience of caste, Mr. Paul is active with a local Dalit group and said he would prefer that his son marry a Dalit. “We want to stay in our community,” he said.

1.) There are untouchables in Sikhism?

2.) How would someone know if you were Dalit just by looking at you?

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By: gc http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/10/24/the_times_on_ca/comment-page-1/#comment-1661 gc Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:07:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=589#comment-1661 <p><i> Hariharan Janakiraman, a 31-year-old software engineer who lives in Queens, is a Brahmin from the Vadama branch, which emphasizes teaching. Choosing engineering was his one rebellion. </i></p> <p>Yeah, REALLY rebellious for a Brahmin. Almost as rebellious as a Jewish kid in America going to work for Goldman Sachs! :)</p> <p>btw, it would have been really nice if the times had some stats on the caste distro in the US. Methinks the majority are upper castes, esp. among the professionals (just as they are in India), but it'd be nice to see stats.</p> Hariharan Janakiraman, a 31-year-old software engineer who lives in Queens, is a Brahmin from the Vadama branch, which emphasizes teaching. Choosing engineering was his one rebellion.

Yeah, REALLY rebellious for a Brahmin. Almost as rebellious as a Jewish kid in America going to work for Goldman Sachs! :)

btw, it would have been really nice if the times had some stats on the caste distro in the US. Methinks the majority are upper castes, esp. among the professionals (just as they are in India), but it’d be nice to see stats.

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