Comments on: The effect of androgens on man-in-the-moon marigolds http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rathore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107961 Rathore Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:28:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107961 <p>sorry i wrote bappa rawal was killed ....qasim was killed n not bappa rawal</p> sorry i wrote bappa rawal was killed ….qasim was killed n not bappa rawal

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By: Rathore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107960 Rathore Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:26:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107960 <p>Gurpreet singh,are u in ur right senses when u say"no doubt rajputs are damn good, but their sacrifice and the amount of wars and battles they've fought pales in comparison to the Khalsa army."? u guys have fought the muslims in what can b historically called'recently'.u act very literate but u dont prove 2 b so.700A.D.-the first invasion of india by the 'sword of islam'muhammad bin qasim with a large army :Rajput king Bappa Rawal's rajputs were outnumbered but numbers could not withstand rajput courage n agility.Bappa rawal was killed and mohammad bin qasim's march from turkey to india was halted.Since then,rajputs have fought innumerable wars with the afghans,turks and other similar barbarian races and kept them in control.it was only in 1192 ad when the afghani b******* could enter india that to by attacking the rajputs(opium drunk 4m the night) before sunrise when the rajputs didnot fight.i think u know the details about the war n about prithviraj chauhan already(if not there r a million sites) .I didn't mention that the chauhan empire stretched all over north india and till n beyond kabul.Mewar,marwar n the whole of rajputana expelled the afghans from their territories immediately while punjab could not do so.These punjabis were the ancestors of the khalsa army soldiers who(i dont believe it one bit)" kept away an estimated 10,000 pathans from the Saragarhi fort for around 6 hours".it is rightly said"it is our ancestry which shapes our character".with this type of ancestry..... .The biggest fault in the rajputs lay in the fact that they were loyal to the clan and not the country this led to many inter clan wars .if not for this very factor the hordes of attacking muslims could never face rajput grit.Do u know that jaichand rathore actually joined ghauri to attack prithviraj which turned the tables in the 2nd war of tarain ...i cant keep on describing i hope u will read this site's description of the rajput resistance and wars fought www.hindurajput.blogspot.com/ and if u read it ,i m sure u will not make that remark again.</p> <pre><code> amount of wars fought by the khalsa army is highly insignificant compared to the rajputs my dear friend. </code></pre> <p>see some quotes by various foreign historians on rajputs; In his Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan James Tod wrote:</p> <p>"What nation on earth could have maintained the semblance of civilization, the spirit or the customs of their forefathers, during so many centuries of overwhelming depression, but one of such singular character as the Rajpoot? . . . RajastÂ’han exhibits the sole example in the history of mankind, of a people withstanding every outrage barbarity could inflict, or human nature sustain, from a foe whose religion commands annihilation; and bent to the earth, yet rising buoyant from the pressure, and making calamity a whetstone to courage. . . . Not an iota of their religion or customs have they lost. . . ".</p> <p>According to James Tod in Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan:</p> <p>"Ten thousand Muslims fell in the onset, which cost seventeen hundred Rathores, besides Guhilotes, Haras, Gaurs, and some of every clan of Rajwarra. Aurangzeb and Murad only escaped because their days were not yet numbered. Notwithstanding the immense superiority of the imperial princes, aided by numerous artillery served by Frenchmen, night alone put a stop to the contest of science, numbers, and artillery, against Rajput courage." This is janes tod's review of the war fought between jaswant singh rathore &Aurangzeb.</p> <p>Captain A. H. Bingley stated: The Rajput race is the noblest and proudest in India . . . . They form a military aristocracy of a feudal type. They are brave and chivalrous, keenly sensitive to an affront, and especially jealous of the honour of their women. In disposition they are manly, simple, honest, and as a rule have none of the cunning and intrigue of the Brahman. The chief characteristics of the true Rajput are pride of race and inordinate extravagance. In Rajputana . . . the chieftains of this tribe have ruled from time immemorial and he feels himself free and a member of the ruling race. In no part of the world has the devotion of soldiers to their immediate chiefs been more remarkable than among the Rajputs. (1898, 162)</p> <p>i can go on & on ........but i dont have a lot of time at my disposal right now. yeah n about the muslim population....i can assure u that the density of muslims in rajasthan is a lot less than that in any other state .i do hope u come 2 rajasthan some day</p> Gurpreet singh,are u in ur right senses when u say”no doubt rajputs are damn good, but their sacrifice and the amount of wars and battles they’ve fought pales in comparison to the Khalsa army.”? u guys have fought the muslims in what can b historically called’recently’.u act very literate but u dont prove 2 b so.700A.D.-the first invasion of india by the ‘sword of islam’muhammad bin qasim with a large army :Rajput king Bappa Rawal’s rajputs were outnumbered but numbers could not withstand rajput courage n agility.Bappa rawal was killed and mohammad bin qasim’s march from turkey to india was halted.Since then,rajputs have fought innumerable wars with the afghans,turks and other similar barbarian races and kept them in control.it was only in 1192 ad when the afghani b******* could enter india that to by attacking the rajputs(opium drunk 4m the night) before sunrise when the rajputs didnot fight.i think u know the details about the war n about prithviraj chauhan already(if not there r a million sites) .I didn’t mention that the chauhan empire stretched all over north india and till n beyond kabul.Mewar,marwar n the whole of rajputana expelled the afghans from their territories immediately while punjab could not do so.These punjabis were the ancestors of the khalsa army soldiers who(i dont believe it one bit)” kept away an estimated 10,000 pathans from the Saragarhi fort for around 6 hours”.it is rightly said”it is our ancestry which shapes our character”.with this type of ancestry….. .The biggest fault in the rajputs lay in the fact that they were loyal to the clan and not the country this led to many inter clan wars .if not for this very factor the hordes of attacking muslims could never face rajput grit.Do u know that jaichand rathore actually joined ghauri to attack prithviraj which turned the tables in the 2nd war of tarain …i cant keep on describing i hope u will read this site’s description of the rajput resistance and wars fought http://www.hindurajput.blogspot.com/ and if u read it ,i m sure u will not make that remark again.

                         amount of wars fought by the khalsa army is highly insignificant compared to the rajputs my dear friend.

see some quotes by various foreign historians on rajputs; In his Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan James Tod wrote:

“What nation on earth could have maintained the semblance of civilization, the spirit or the customs of their forefathers, during so many centuries of overwhelming depression, but one of such singular character as the Rajpoot? . . . RajastÂ’han exhibits the sole example in the history of mankind, of a people withstanding every outrage barbarity could inflict, or human nature sustain, from a foe whose religion commands annihilation; and bent to the earth, yet rising buoyant from the pressure, and making calamity a whetstone to courage. . . . Not an iota of their religion or customs have they lost. . . “.

According to James Tod in Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan:

“Ten thousand Muslims fell in the onset, which cost seventeen hundred Rathores, besides Guhilotes, Haras, Gaurs, and some of every clan of Rajwarra. Aurangzeb and Murad only escaped because their days were not yet numbered. Notwithstanding the immense superiority of the imperial princes, aided by numerous artillery served by Frenchmen, night alone put a stop to the contest of science, numbers, and artillery, against Rajput courage.” This is janes tod’s review of the war fought between jaswant singh rathore &Aurangzeb.

Captain A. H. Bingley stated: The Rajput race is the noblest and proudest in India . . . . They form a military aristocracy of a feudal type. They are brave and chivalrous, keenly sensitive to an affront, and especially jealous of the honour of their women. In disposition they are manly, simple, honest, and as a rule have none of the cunning and intrigue of the Brahman. The chief characteristics of the true Rajput are pride of race and inordinate extravagance. In Rajputana . . . the chieftains of this tribe have ruled from time immemorial and he feels himself free and a member of the ruling race. In no part of the world has the devotion of soldiers to their immediate chiefs been more remarkable than among the Rajputs. (1898, 162)

i can go on & on ……..but i dont have a lot of time at my disposal right now. yeah n about the muslim population….i can assure u that the density of muslims in rajasthan is a lot less than that in any other state .i do hope u come 2 rajasthan some day

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By: gurpreet singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107946 gurpreet singh Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:51:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107946 <p>It's very long but do read it Rathore!</p> <p>Irrespective of your personal opinion on punjabis, i would like you to know some facts: You are right when u say marwaris are the best in business in India. but they are not alone, gujaratis and punjabis both are close on their heels e.g. Ranbaxy pharma is one of the biggest of its kind in the world, headed and owned by punjabis, Sant singh Chatwal in the US has a big chain of hotels, he alone donated $1 mn. when John Kerry stood against Bush the last time. then there is Vinod Khosla, venture-capitalist par-exellence. these are just the few that come to mind right now, unfortunately. there are uncountable punjabis who went to the west with just a few dollars and set up huge business like hotels, motels, petrol pumps, general stores, cafes etc. etc. And mind u, they are damn successful. Now, studies is something which no community has a monopoly over. Indians in general are good students. but then again, there are no IIMs, IITs etc. where punjabis are not present. Now my fave topic of warfare. It is absolutely wrong to say Rajasthani Rajputs have no match. this shows u have limited knowledge about India's military history. no doubt rajputs are damn good, but their sacrifice and the amount of wars and battles they've fought pales in comparison to the Khalsa army. the khalsa army itself was made precisely to fight against the muslim tyranny in India. not only that, they warded off the notorious afghans when they repeatedly invaded India, for its land, money and women. there too, the paltry number of sikh soldiers fought the mighty afghans and rescued numerable women from their clutches. and also, apart from saving them, they used to escort every woman/girl to her house, no matter whether it was in punjab, rajasthan, and even maharashtra. the rajputs did fight courageously, no doubt, but many of the rajput rulers also allied with the mughals by giving them their daughters, the rathores of marwar being one of them. this, in return of right to rule their specific strong-holds. and if u don't know, the sikhs had not yet come into existence at that time. Had the rajputs been so great, there wouldn't have been a need to make the Khalsa army. had the rajputs been so good, the muslim population in rajasthan, UP, MP wouldn't have been so huge. punjab, even after heavy migration of muslims from UP etc. has the lowest muslim population amongst these states. the bravest regiments in our present army are the sikh as well as the jat, and they have always been. there is this one very old instance during the pre-independence era where 22 soldiers of the sikh regiment (then called by some other name) bravely kept away an estimated 10,000 pathans from the Saragarhi fort for around 6 hours and then laid down their lives. not only the Army, but even the British bow their heads in respect of this feat till date. now this is something which has never been matched, and never will be. also, the most shaheeds in the wars are punjabis (for example, most killed in kargil war belonged to the village of Hoshiarpur in punjab, and it has a long history when it comes to this). and i am too small a person too comment on those uncountable punjabis from every family in punjab who laid their lives down for India's independence. you wanna know wat makes punjab greater than other states, well, for one, it has the highest per-capita income out of all large and medium sized states in the country, more than even kerala, atleast in the last two years (out of the small states, it was goa). punjab was also rated best for infrastructure, investment in realty, health etc. by this study conducted by the india-today magazine. it also is the granary of India. this state has provided brilliant talent in numerous fields, u can't even count them on on one hand. be it sports (Milkha singh, for one and a long, long list of players who represented India in Hockey, winning us gold medals. not to mention cricket, wrestling, boxing). though on the other hand, our current pathetic state in world hockey can be attributed to another punjabi, KPS Gill, hahaha. if u know, the people who are making the west aware of our rich Indian culture and tradition are punjabis and not rajasthanis, marwaris, keralites etc. punjabi music is everywhere, so is its food. after the gujaratis, we are the most successful communities outside India. when it comes to working hard, there is no match to a punjabi, be it a cab/bus driver or a business tycoon. and yes, they don't feel any shame in carrying out these so-called small jobs like driving a cab. unfortunately, this Indian attitude has kept many a peoples' mentality backward. I agree i was wrong in saying "every good thing about India is related to punjab". i realised it as soon as i posted my comment, but i could not delete or rectify it. now, from the above, don't u think that the punjabis DO have a lot to be proud of? and don't forget that i can't possibly mention every good thing about punjab, otherwise the list would go on. if u dont' believe what i've posted, well, u have the right to do it. u can also verify my comments, thats a better option. sites like wikipedia.org are good if u wanna know about the rajput and sikh contribution to Indian military, past and present. u mentioned marwaris being good in business, keralites in studies, rajputs in warfare. but thats where the story ends. they don't have anything else to be proud of. whereas the punjabis are very good in all these fields and many more. isn't that worth being proud of for a small community and part of India? I understand that u are sick of punjabis ranting about their state, as i have experienced the same (though not with punjabis). but don't u think when someone is presenting facts, sound reasons and also the source of info, u will be acting a bit unfair in feeling sick?</p> It’s very long but do read it Rathore!

Irrespective of your personal opinion on punjabis, i would like you to know some facts: You are right when u say marwaris are the best in business in India. but they are not alone, gujaratis and punjabis both are close on their heels e.g. Ranbaxy pharma is one of the biggest of its kind in the world, headed and owned by punjabis, Sant singh Chatwal in the US has a big chain of hotels, he alone donated $1 mn. when John Kerry stood against Bush the last time. then there is Vinod Khosla, venture-capitalist par-exellence. these are just the few that come to mind right now, unfortunately. there are uncountable punjabis who went to the west with just a few dollars and set up huge business like hotels, motels, petrol pumps, general stores, cafes etc. etc. And mind u, they are damn successful. Now, studies is something which no community has a monopoly over. Indians in general are good students. but then again, there are no IIMs, IITs etc. where punjabis are not present. Now my fave topic of warfare. It is absolutely wrong to say Rajasthani Rajputs have no match. this shows u have limited knowledge about India’s military history. no doubt rajputs are damn good, but their sacrifice and the amount of wars and battles they’ve fought pales in comparison to the Khalsa army. the khalsa army itself was made precisely to fight against the muslim tyranny in India. not only that, they warded off the notorious afghans when they repeatedly invaded India, for its land, money and women. there too, the paltry number of sikh soldiers fought the mighty afghans and rescued numerable women from their clutches. and also, apart from saving them, they used to escort every woman/girl to her house, no matter whether it was in punjab, rajasthan, and even maharashtra. the rajputs did fight courageously, no doubt, but many of the rajput rulers also allied with the mughals by giving them their daughters, the rathores of marwar being one of them. this, in return of right to rule their specific strong-holds. and if u don’t know, the sikhs had not yet come into existence at that time. Had the rajputs been so great, there wouldn’t have been a need to make the Khalsa army. had the rajputs been so good, the muslim population in rajasthan, UP, MP wouldn’t have been so huge. punjab, even after heavy migration of muslims from UP etc. has the lowest muslim population amongst these states. the bravest regiments in our present army are the sikh as well as the jat, and they have always been. there is this one very old instance during the pre-independence era where 22 soldiers of the sikh regiment (then called by some other name) bravely kept away an estimated 10,000 pathans from the Saragarhi fort for around 6 hours and then laid down their lives. not only the Army, but even the British bow their heads in respect of this feat till date. now this is something which has never been matched, and never will be. also, the most shaheeds in the wars are punjabis (for example, most killed in kargil war belonged to the village of Hoshiarpur in punjab, and it has a long history when it comes to this). and i am too small a person too comment on those uncountable punjabis from every family in punjab who laid their lives down for India’s independence. you wanna know wat makes punjab greater than other states, well, for one, it has the highest per-capita income out of all large and medium sized states in the country, more than even kerala, atleast in the last two years (out of the small states, it was goa). punjab was also rated best for infrastructure, investment in realty, health etc. by this study conducted by the india-today magazine. it also is the granary of India. this state has provided brilliant talent in numerous fields, u can’t even count them on on one hand. be it sports (Milkha singh, for one and a long, long list of players who represented India in Hockey, winning us gold medals. not to mention cricket, wrestling, boxing). though on the other hand, our current pathetic state in world hockey can be attributed to another punjabi, KPS Gill, hahaha. if u know, the people who are making the west aware of our rich Indian culture and tradition are punjabis and not rajasthanis, marwaris, keralites etc. punjabi music is everywhere, so is its food. after the gujaratis, we are the most successful communities outside India. when it comes to working hard, there is no match to a punjabi, be it a cab/bus driver or a business tycoon. and yes, they don’t feel any shame in carrying out these so-called small jobs like driving a cab. unfortunately, this Indian attitude has kept many a peoples’ mentality backward. I agree i was wrong in saying “every good thing about India is related to punjab”. i realised it as soon as i posted my comment, but i could not delete or rectify it. now, from the above, don’t u think that the punjabis DO have a lot to be proud of? and don’t forget that i can’t possibly mention every good thing about punjab, otherwise the list would go on. if u dont’ believe what i’ve posted, well, u have the right to do it. u can also verify my comments, thats a better option. sites like wikipedia.org are good if u wanna know about the rajput and sikh contribution to Indian military, past and present. u mentioned marwaris being good in business, keralites in studies, rajputs in warfare. but thats where the story ends. they don’t have anything else to be proud of. whereas the punjabis are very good in all these fields and many more. isn’t that worth being proud of for a small community and part of India? I understand that u are sick of punjabis ranting about their state, as i have experienced the same (though not with punjabis). but don’t u think when someone is presenting facts, sound reasons and also the source of info, u will be acting a bit unfair in feeling sick?

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By: Rathore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107934 Rathore Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:40:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107934 <p>Cab drvers....taxi drivers....bus drivers.....truck drivers...yeah.yeah;-) Great i m proud of punjab;-))</p> <p>i ve been in a lot of punjabi company lately n m sick of punjabis raving mad bout how great punjab is,etc. This very factor(combined with other personal factors ) led me 2 get involved in many fights with my fellow punjabi collegians. yea,what makes punjab greater than other states? Business-Marwaris eg.Laxmi niwas mittal(rajasthan) Studies-Keralites Warfare-Rajasthani Rajputs have no match</p> <pre><code> yeah there may b many punjabis excelling in many fields but 'every good thing is related to punjab',that's no way to put it gurpreet.Why r u guys so </code></pre> <p>proud......just chill man.....i'll wait 4 ur reply</p> Cab drvers….taxi drivers….bus drivers…..truck drivers…yeah.yeah;-) Great i m proud of punjab;-))

i ve been in a lot of punjabi company lately n m sick of punjabis raving mad bout how great punjab is,etc. This very factor(combined with other personal factors ) led me 2 get involved in many fights with my fellow punjabi collegians. yea,what makes punjab greater than other states? Business-Marwaris eg.Laxmi niwas mittal(rajasthan) Studies-Keralites Warfare-Rajasthani Rajputs have no match

                  yeah there may b many punjabis excelling in many fields but 'every good thing is related to punjab',that's no way to put it gurpreet.Why r u guys so

proud……just chill man…..i’ll wait 4 ur reply

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By: gurpreet singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107573 gurpreet singh Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:23:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107573 <p>yeah u r right, dilip singh!! but some people consider some jobs to be menial and small. i think u can testify to that as well. lol.</p> yeah u r right, dilip singh!! but some people consider some jobs to be menial and small. i think u can testify to that as well. lol.

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By: Dilip Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107179 Dilip Singh Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:10:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107179 <blockquote>Punjabis are not only present in most parts of the world, but are successful in whatever endeavour they have indulged themselves in.</blockquote> <p>I can testify to that. Some of the best cab drivers in North America are punjabi immigrants.</p> Punjabis are not only present in most parts of the world, but are successful in whatever endeavour they have indulged themselves in.

I can testify to that. Some of the best cab drivers in North America are punjabi immigrants.

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By: gurpreet singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107176 gurpreet singh Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:37:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107176 <p>Rathore, Punjabis are not only present in most parts of the world, but are <u>successful</u> in whatever endeavour they have indulged themselves in. All u have to do is come out of your fantasy world, open your eyes and watch news or read the papers. Or simply be aware of whats going on in the world by whatever means you have. Your post actually didn't merit a response in the first place. But I still replied as I think it is my duty to educate my fellow Indians. Since u asked for only one reason, I gave u just one, though I have many more. If you are still ignorant and shameless enough to ask for more reasons, come forward and be my guest. Also, I'm proud of Dalip Singh for what he has achieved and not because he is Rajput, Sikh, Hindu etc. as I really don't care. I only care for the fact that he is an INDIAN like me, and a very proud one at that.</p> <p>JAI HIND</p> Rathore, Punjabis are not only present in most parts of the world, but are successful in whatever endeavour they have indulged themselves in. All u have to do is come out of your fantasy world, open your eyes and watch news or read the papers. Or simply be aware of whats going on in the world by whatever means you have. Your post actually didn’t merit a response in the first place. But I still replied as I think it is my duty to educate my fellow Indians. Since u asked for only one reason, I gave u just one, though I have many more. If you are still ignorant and shameless enough to ask for more reasons, come forward and be my guest. Also, I’m proud of Dalip Singh for what he has achieved and not because he is Rajput, Sikh, Hindu etc. as I really don’t care. I only care for the fact that he is an INDIAN like me, and a very proud one at that.

JAI HIND

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By: gurpreet singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-107171 gurpreet singh Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:41:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-107171 <p>Looks like Mr. Rathore lives in a different world altogether. are u jealous too??</p> Looks like Mr. Rathore lives in a different world altogether. are u jealous too??

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By: rathore http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-106990 rathore Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:32:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-106990 <p>gurpreet singh,tell me 1 reason why punjabis should b proud</p> gurpreet singh,tell me 1 reason why punjabis should b proud

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By: gurpreet singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/30/the_effect_of_a/comment-page-1/#comment-104352 gurpreet singh Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:24:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=460#comment-104352 <p>Hey "dude"! Read my post properly before calling me ignorant as you yourself are. Nowhere have I said that Dalip cannot be anything else but a Punjabi. All I said is that I have never heard of Hindu-Punjabis using the title of Singh, though there may be some. What that means is that if he is Punjabi, then he's most probably a Sikh. Otherwise, he could very well be Himachali, garhwali etc. I don't have a problem with that as I am proud to be Indian and then Punjabi. P.S. I don't know why you think I'm from UK as I am not. It's pretty funny you seem to be one of those people who generalise a lot. Also, are you jealous that anything that is best in India is related to Punjab???</p> Hey “dude”! Read my post properly before calling me ignorant as you yourself are. Nowhere have I said that Dalip cannot be anything else but a Punjabi. All I said is that I have never heard of Hindu-Punjabis using the title of Singh, though there may be some. What that means is that if he is Punjabi, then he’s most probably a Sikh. Otherwise, he could very well be Himachali, garhwali etc. I don’t have a problem with that as I am proud to be Indian and then Punjabi. P.S. I don’t know why you think I’m from UK as I am not. It’s pretty funny you seem to be one of those people who generalise a lot. Also, are you jealous that anything that is best in India is related to Punjab???

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