Comments on: Axis’ allies http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: longhairedking http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-74165 longhairedking Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:53:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-74165 <p>All the Indians of the Leauge claimed they were treated beautifully by the Germans as they always had. And Bose may not have gotten everything he wanted, but to say that his work in Germany was a waste is an insult, the Germans surly did not feel that way.</p> <p>Here is an expert from "Ranjan Borra" in his book:</p> <p>Subhas Chandra Bose, the Indian National Army, and the War of India's Liberation</p> <p>A few words must be added regarding the Indo-German cooperation and comradeship during the critical days of World War II when the Legion was formed. None could describe it better than Adalbert Seifriz, who was a German Officer in the training camp of the Legionaries. He writes, Agreeing to the proposal of Bose was a magnificient concession and consideration shown to the great personality of Bose by the German Government in those critical times when all German efforts were concentrated on the war ... The mutual understanding and respect between Indians and Germans and the increasing contact between them in the interest of the common task made it possible for the Indian Legion to sustain and keep up discipline right up to the German capitulation in 1945. During the period of training and even afterwards the comradeship between Indians and Germans could not be destroyed ... A meeting with Subhas Bose was a special event for the German training staff. We spent many evenings with him, discussing the future of India. He lives in the minds of the training staff members as an idealistic and fighting personality, never sparing himself in the service of his people and his country ... The most rewarding fact was the real comradeship which grew between Indians and Germans, which proved true in dangerous hours, and exists still today in numerous cases. The Indian Legion was a precious instrument in strengthening and consolidating Indo-German friendship.13 A report of Hitler's visit to the Indian Legion headquarters in Dresden was given by Shantaram Vishnu Samanta (one of the Legionaries) during a press interview in India, after his release from an internment camp. According to his statement, Hitler addressed the soldiers of the Legion after Netaji had left for East Asia. He spoke in German and his speech was translated into Hindustani by an interpreter. He said: You are fortunate having been born in a country of glorious cultural traditions and a colossal manpower. I am impressed by the burning passion with which you and your Netaji seek to liberate your country from foreign domination. Your Netaji's status is even greater than mine. While I am the leader of eighty million Germans, he is the leader of 400 million Indians. In all respects he is a greater leader and a greater general than myself. I salute him, and Germany salutes him. It is the duty of all Indians to accept him as their führer and obey him implicitly. I have no doubt that if you do this, his guidance will lead India very soon to freedom. A statement by another soldier of the Indian Legion, who remains anonymous, has a somewhat different version. It stated that both Netaji and Hitler took a joint salute of the Indian Legion and a German infantry. In addition to comments cited earlier, Hitler was reported to have made these remarks as well: German civilians, soldiers and free Indians! I take this opportunity to welcome your acting Führer, Herr Subhas Chandra Bose. He has come here to guide all those free Indians who love their country and are determined to free it from foreign yoke. It is too much for me to dare to give you any instructions or advice because you are sons of a free country, and you would naturally like to obey implicitly the accredited leader of your own land.14 However, reports of Hitler's visit and address to the Indian Legionaries are not confirmed from any other source. Netaji would be leaving Germany on 8 February 1943. On 26 January, "Independence Day for India," there was a great party in Berlin where hundreds of guests drank his health. On 28 January, which was set aside for observance as the "Legion Day" in honor of the Indian Legion, he addressed the Legion for the last time. It is believed that his departure was kept secret from his army. So, there were no visible emotions among the men; no gesture of a farewell. The impression Netaji was leaving at the Free India Center was that he was going on a prolonged tour. So there were no signs of any anxiety. Except for a few top-ranking German officers and his closest aides, hardly anybody was aware that within a week-and-a-half he would be embarking on a perilous journey: a submarine voyage through mine-infested waters to the other side of the world. In his absence, Nambiar settled down in his job as his successor and soon gained respect of the Legionaries.</p> All the Indians of the Leauge claimed they were treated beautifully by the Germans as they always had. And Bose may not have gotten everything he wanted, but to say that his work in Germany was a waste is an insult, the Germans surly did not feel that way.

Here is an expert from “Ranjan Borra” in his book:

Subhas Chandra Bose, the Indian National Army, and the War of India’s Liberation

A few words must be added regarding the Indo-German cooperation and comradeship during the critical days of World War II when the Legion was formed. None could describe it better than Adalbert Seifriz, who was a German Officer in the training camp of the Legionaries. He writes, Agreeing to the proposal of Bose was a magnificient concession and consideration shown to the great personality of Bose by the German Government in those critical times when all German efforts were concentrated on the war … The mutual understanding and respect between Indians and Germans and the increasing contact between them in the interest of the common task made it possible for the Indian Legion to sustain and keep up discipline right up to the German capitulation in 1945. During the period of training and even afterwards the comradeship between Indians and Germans could not be destroyed … A meeting with Subhas Bose was a special event for the German training staff. We spent many evenings with him, discussing the future of India. He lives in the minds of the training staff members as an idealistic and fighting personality, never sparing himself in the service of his people and his country … The most rewarding fact was the real comradeship which grew between Indians and Germans, which proved true in dangerous hours, and exists still today in numerous cases. The Indian Legion was a precious instrument in strengthening and consolidating Indo-German friendship.13 A report of Hitler’s visit to the Indian Legion headquarters in Dresden was given by Shantaram Vishnu Samanta (one of the Legionaries) during a press interview in India, after his release from an internment camp. According to his statement, Hitler addressed the soldiers of the Legion after Netaji had left for East Asia. He spoke in German and his speech was translated into Hindustani by an interpreter. He said: You are fortunate having been born in a country of glorious cultural traditions and a colossal manpower. I am impressed by the burning passion with which you and your Netaji seek to liberate your country from foreign domination. Your Netaji’s status is even greater than mine. While I am the leader of eighty million Germans, he is the leader of 400 million Indians. In all respects he is a greater leader and a greater general than myself. I salute him, and Germany salutes him. It is the duty of all Indians to accept him as their führer and obey him implicitly. I have no doubt that if you do this, his guidance will lead India very soon to freedom. A statement by another soldier of the Indian Legion, who remains anonymous, has a somewhat different version. It stated that both Netaji and Hitler took a joint salute of the Indian Legion and a German infantry. In addition to comments cited earlier, Hitler was reported to have made these remarks as well: German civilians, soldiers and free Indians! I take this opportunity to welcome your acting Führer, Herr Subhas Chandra Bose. He has come here to guide all those free Indians who love their country and are determined to free it from foreign yoke. It is too much for me to dare to give you any instructions or advice because you are sons of a free country, and you would naturally like to obey implicitly the accredited leader of your own land.14 However, reports of Hitler’s visit and address to the Indian Legionaries are not confirmed from any other source. Netaji would be leaving Germany on 8 February 1943. On 26 January, “Independence Day for India,” there was a great party in Berlin where hundreds of guests drank his health. On 28 January, which was set aside for observance as the “Legion Day” in honor of the Indian Legion, he addressed the Legion for the last time. It is believed that his departure was kept secret from his army. So, there were no visible emotions among the men; no gesture of a farewell. The impression Netaji was leaving at the Free India Center was that he was going on a prolonged tour. So there were no signs of any anxiety. Except for a few top-ranking German officers and his closest aides, hardly anybody was aware that within a week-and-a-half he would be embarking on a perilous journey: a submarine voyage through mine-infested waters to the other side of the world. In his absence, Nambiar settled down in his job as his successor and soon gained respect of the Legionaries.

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By: longhairedking http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-73917 longhairedking Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:34:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-73917 <p>Josef Goebbels wrote in his diary on 1 March:</p> <p>"We have succeeded in prevailing upon the Indian nationalist leader, Bose, to issue an imposing declaration of war against England. It will be published most prominently in the German press and commented upon. In that way we shall now begin our official fight on behalf of India, even though we don't as yet admit it openly".8 On 14 March, he remarked of Bose, "He is an excellent worker."9 The fall of Singapore was a signal for Netaji to broadcast his first official speech over the Free India Radio, repeating his vow to fight British imperialism until the end. This he followed with a declaration of war against England, although at that stage such a pronouncement could only be symbolic. Netaji had not yet obtained an Axis declaration in support of the freedom of India that he pressed for in the supplement of his first memorandum to the German government. That government was of the opinion that the time was not ripe yet for such a declaration and unless a pronouncement of this nature could be supported by military action, it would not be of much value.</p> Josef Goebbels wrote in his diary on 1 March:

“We have succeeded in prevailing upon the Indian nationalist leader, Bose, to issue an imposing declaration of war against England. It will be published most prominently in the German press and commented upon. In that way we shall now begin our official fight on behalf of India, even though we don’t as yet admit it openly”.8 On 14 March, he remarked of Bose, “He is an excellent worker.”9 The fall of Singapore was a signal for Netaji to broadcast his first official speech over the Free India Radio, repeating his vow to fight British imperialism until the end. This he followed with a declaration of war against England, although at that stage such a pronouncement could only be symbolic. Netaji had not yet obtained an Axis declaration in support of the freedom of India that he pressed for in the supplement of his first memorandum to the German government. That government was of the opinion that the time was not ripe yet for such a declaration and unless a pronouncement of this nature could be supported by military action, it would not be of much value.

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By: longhairedking http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-73914 longhairedking Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:28:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-73914 <p>How can one say Hitler had no intrests in India's future one way or the other?</p> <p>He always had intrests in the "Arab future", and even set up orginizations where Arabs could visit Berlin and make plans for the "Greater Arabia" which the "New Germany" would asist them in building.</p> <p>People love to hate Hitler the RACIST and refuse to see the historical, true Hitler the IDEALIST.</p> <p>Maby Hitler had intrests in both the future of England AND India, just as he did for the Arab countries, and Asian countries.</p> How can one say Hitler had no intrests in India’s future one way or the other?

He always had intrests in the “Arab future”, and even set up orginizations where Arabs could visit Berlin and make plans for the “Greater Arabia” which the “New Germany” would asist them in building.

People love to hate Hitler the RACIST and refuse to see the historical, true Hitler the IDEALIST.

Maby Hitler had intrests in both the future of England AND India, just as he did for the Arab countries, and Asian countries.

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By: prakruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-1169 prakruti Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:33:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-1169 <p>thanks so much Manish for clarifying.. I wonder why india being a democratic country always favoured a ex-communist country like USSR over a democratic country like USA.. may its the location (asia) and trying to be good neighbour or protecting the country from neighbours. Manish any comments on this....</p> thanks so much Manish for clarifying.. I wonder why india being a democratic country always favoured a ex-communist country like USSR over a democratic country like USA.. may its the location (asia) and trying to be good neighbour or protecting the country from neighbours. Manish any comments on this….

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By: Anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-1168 Anonymous Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:36:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-1168 <p>India also was the leader of the "Non Aligned" nations. By being involved in the security council as permanent member, that would put it under pressure.</p> India also was the leader of the “Non Aligned” nations. By being involved in the security council as permanent member, that would put it under pressure.

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By: Manish Vij http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-1167 Manish Vij Wed, 29 Sep 2004 01:20:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-1167 <blockquote>why did Nehru decide to give up the seat in favor of china?</blockquote> <p>He was trying to stay on China's good side and probably the USSR's as well. The U.S. wanted India to take China's place as a way to counter communism.</p> why did Nehru decide to give up the seat in favor of china?

He was trying to stay on China’s good side and probably the USSR’s as well. The U.S. wanted India to take China’s place as a way to counter communism.

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By: prakruti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-1166 prakruti Wed, 29 Sep 2004 00:56:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-1166 <p>Manish, this is interesting. why did Nehru decide to give up the seat in favor of china? any idea? And now we are trying again after so many years..strange decisions. I forgot all my indian history, thanks for this article..Netaji and hitler pact...very strange. I think at the end no one knew when and where subhash chandra bose met his end...</p> Manish, this is interesting. why did Nehru decide to give up the seat in favor of china? any idea? And now we are trying again after so many years..strange decisions. I forgot all my indian history, thanks for this article..Netaji and hitler pact…very strange. I think at the end no one knew when and where subhash chandra bose met his end…

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By: Anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2004/09/26/axis_allies/comment-page-1/#comment-1165 Anonymous Mon, 27 Sep 2004 15:55:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=434#comment-1165 <p>WOW, I never knew India actually gave up a permanent seat in the security council, in favor of CHINA?</p> <p>Seriously, some of policies post Independence really mucked things up and haunt India today.</p> WOW, I never knew India actually gave up a permanent seat in the security council, in favor of CHINA?

Seriously, some of policies post Independence really mucked things up and haunt India today.

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